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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:45 am
by spits
Bush takes blame in Iraq, adds troops


WASHINGTON - President Bush acknowledged for the first time Wednesday that he erred by not ordering a military buildup in Iraq last year and said he was increasing U.S. troops by 21,500 to quell the country's near-anarchy. "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me," Bush said.

The buildup puts Bush on a collision course with the new Democratic Congress and pushes the American troop presence in Iraq toward its highest level. It also runs counter to widespread anti-war passions among Americans and the advice of some top generals.

In a prime-time address to the nation, Bush pushed back against the Democrats' calls to end the unpopular war. He said that "to step back now would force a collapse of the Iraqi government, tear that country apart and result in mass killings on an unimaginable scale."

"If we increase our support at this crucial moment and help the Iraqis break the current cycle of violence, we can hasten the day our troops begin coming home," Bush said. But he braced Americans to expect more U.S. casualties for now and did not specify how long the additional troops would stay.

In addition to extra U.S. forces, the plan envisions Iraq's committing 10,000 to 12,000 more troops to secure Baghdad's neighborhoods ¢‚¬ and taking the lead in military operations.

Even before Bush's address, the new Democratic leaders of Congress emphasized their opposition to a buildup. "This is the third time we are going down this path. Two times this has not worked," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., said after meeting with the president. "Why are they doing this now? That question remains."

There was criticism from Republicans, as well. "This is a dangerously wrongheaded strategy that will drive America deeper into an unwinnable swamp at a great cost," said Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record), R-Neb., a Vietnam veteran and potential GOP presidential candidate.

After nearly four years of bloody combat, the speech was perhaps Bush's last credible chance to try to present a winning strategy in Iraq and persuade Americans to change their minds about the unpopular war, which has cost the lives of more than 3,000 members of the U.S. military as well as more than $400 billion.

Senate and House Democrats are arranging votes urging the president not to send more troops. While lacking the force of law, the measures would compel Republicans to go on record as either bucking the president or supporting an escalation.

Usually loath to admit error, Bush said it also was a mistake to have allowed American forces to be restricted by the Iraqi government, which tried to prevent U.S. military operations against fighters controlled by the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, a powerful political ally of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The president said al-Maliki had assured him that from now on, "political or sectarian interference will not be tolerated."

As Bush spoke for 20 minutes from the unusual setting of the White House library, the sounds of protesters amassed outside the compound's gates occasionally filtered through.

Bush's approach amounts to a huge gamble on al-Maliki's willingness ¢‚¬ and ability ¢‚¬ to deliver on promises he has consistently failed to keep: to disband Shiite militias, pursue national reconciliation and make good on commitments for Iraqi forces to handle security operations in Baghdad.

"Our past efforts to secure Baghdad failed for two principal reasons: There were not enough Iraqi and American troops to secure neighborhoods that had been cleared of terrorists and insurgents," the president said. "And there were too many restrictions on the troops we did have."

He said American commanders have reviewed the Iraqi plan "to ensure that it addressed these mistakes."

With Americans overwhelmingly unhappy with his Iraq strategy, Bush said it was a legitimate question to ask why this strategy to secure Baghdad will succeed where other operations failed. "This time we will have the force levels we need to hold the areas that have been cleared," the president said.

While Bush put the onus on the Iraqis to meet their responsibilities and commit more troops, he did not threaten specific consequences if they do not. Iraq has missed previous self-imposed timetables for taking over security responsibilities.

Bush, however, cited the government's latest optimistic estimate. "To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November," the president said.

Still, Bush said that "America's commitment is not open-ended. If the Iraqi government does not follow through on its promises, it will lose the support of the American people and it will lose the support of the Iraqi people. Now is the time to at."

Resisting calls for troop reductions, Bush said that "failure in Iraq would be a disaster for the United States. ... A democratic Iraq will not be perfect. But it will be a country that fights terrorists instead of harboring them."

But Bush warned that the strategy would, in a short term he did not define, bring more violence rather than less.

"Even if our new strategy works exactly as planned, deadly acts of violence will continue, and we must expect more Iraqi and American casualties," he said. "The question is whether our new strategy will bring us closer to success. I believe that it will."

Bush's warning was echoed by Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., a leading proponent of a troop increase. "Is it going to be a strain on the military? Absolutely. Casualties are going to go up," the senator said.

Bush said he considered calls from Democrats and some Republicans to pull back American forces. He concluded it would devastate Iraq and "result in our troops being forced to stay even longer."

But he offered a concession to Congress ¢‚¬ the establishment of a bipartisan working group to formalize regular consultations on Iraq. He said he was open to future exchanges and better ideas.

Bush's strategy ignored key recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, which in December called for a new diplomatic offensive and an outreach to Syria and Iran. Instead, he accused both countries of aiding terrorists and insurgents in Iraq. "We will disrupt the attacks on our forces," Bush said. "We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria."

The troop buildup comes two months after elections that were widely seen as a call for the withdrawal of some or all U.S. forces from Iraq. Polling by AP-Ipsos in December found that only 27 percent of Americans approved of Bush's handling of Iraq, his lowest rating yet.

The president's address is the centerpiece of an aggressive public relations campaign that also includes detailed briefings for lawmakers and a series of appearances by Bush starting with a trip Thursday to Fort Benning, Ga. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice heads to the Mideast a day after appearing Thursday with Defense Secretary Robert Gates at hearings on Iraq convened by the Democrats.

Bush's blueprint would boost the number of U.S. troops in Iraq ¢‚¬ now at 132,000 ¢‚¬ to 153,500 at a cost of $5.6 billion. The highest number was 160,000 a year ago in a troop buildup for Iraqi elections.

The latest increase calls for sending 17,500 U.S. combat troops to Baghdad. The first of five brigades will arrive by next Monday. The next would arrive by Feb. 15 and the remaining would come in 30-day increments.

Bush also committed 4,000 more Marines to Anbar Province, a base of the Sunni insurgency and foreign al-Qaida fighters.

Bush's plan mirrored earlier moves attempting to give Iraqi forces a bigger security role. The chief difference appeared to be a recognition that the Iraqis need more time to take on the full security burden.

Another difference involves doubling the number of U.S. civilian workers who help coordinate local reconstruction projects. These State Department-led units ¢‚¬ dubbed Provincial Reconstruction Teams ¢‚¬ are to focus on projects both inside and outside the heavily guarded Green Zone, and some will be merged into combat brigades. The portion of Bush's plan intended to boost economic aid and job creation was given a price tag of just over $1 billion.

Several Republican senators are candidates for backing the resolution against a troop increase. Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, Gordon Smith of Oregon and Norm Coleman of Minnesota said they oppose sending more soldiers.

Republican Sens. George Voinovich of Ohio and John Warner of Virginia also might be persuaded. Warner said he supports the Iraq Study Group recommendations, which strongly cautioned against an increase in troops unless advocated by military commanders.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:50 am
by AYHJA
Say what you want, but I don't think that there has ever been a president that admits when he's fucked up...Large or small scale...

Best President we've had in a decade... /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:12 am
by Brains
aj. yes, a man can only be considered smart when he is able to apologize for the mistakes he has made.

I do not see that in his speech though. he merely mentions: "Where mistakes have been made." Err... that is not admitting mistakes, is it? He does not say "We have made a mistake and I take full responsibility."

because... as far as I am concerned and I did not change my opinion in years: that Iraq war could be one of the biggest mistakes in US history. I mean, what will happen now: more troops, increased violence (the man said it himself), an incapable Iraq government and incorrect US support. But it all needs to be fixed by November (keep on dreaming). What will happen after that? A gradual US pull-out?! Hmm. You'll have 432,162 sq km of terrorist paradise, which goes quite against the whole "war on terror" idea. So... stay there then and go against US public opinion?! A dire view imho. Best president in a decade?! I am not sharing that view.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:14 pm
by Buffmaster
QUOTE(Brains @ Jan 11 2007, 02:12 AM) aj. yes, a man can only be considered smart when he is able to apologize for the mistakes he has made.

I do not see that in his speech though. he merely mentions: "Where mistakes have been made." Err... that is not admitting mistakes, is it? He does not say "We have made a mistake and I take full responsibility."

because... as far as I am concerned and I did not change my opinion in years: that Iraq war could be one of the biggest mistakes in US history. I mean, what will happen now: more troops, increased violence (the man said it himself), an incapable Iraq government and incorrect US support. But it all needs to be fixed by November (keep on dreaming). What will happen after that? A gradual US pull-out?! Hmm. You'll have 432,162 sq km of terrorist paradise, which goes quite against the whole "war on terror" idea. So... stay there then and go against US public opinion?! A dire view imho. Best president in a decade?! I am not sharing that view.

I guess we'll have a new 432,162 sq km testing ground for our Microwave weapons arsenal.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:16 pm
by Brains
QUOTE(Buffmaster @ Jan 11 2007, 04:14 PM) I guess we'll have a new 432,162 sq km testing ground for our Microwave weapons arsenal.
... oh yes bm.... and in 2015 you'll have the other extremists flying A380's in the recently inaugurated Freedom Tower. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

i can't believe how forward-thinking some of you guys are... tststs :no:

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:10 pm
by highlife
Im all ready on record here saying i think this whole thing was a mistake to get into and has been badly mishandled from the start but at this point im willing to give the prez one last chance mainly becouse we dont have a choice. Dems cant stop the surge at this point. I just want the Iraq government to start kicking some but and if they dont stop dragging there feet we should walk. I have been reading that there starting to make some attempt at dealing with the varios armed groups and Ill bet thats becouse of our recent elections. They see were losing patiance and the dems pull back demands are making them realize they have to take control of the situation. I just want to hear lots about what the Iraq gov is doing and im sure that now the dems are going to be having constant hearings about this stuff we will start to get better picture of what is going on.

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:55 pm
by wvosis
This'll be the first time on this forum that I will have voiced my opinion on Iraq. I think it was a mistake to go, however I think we could have been home free by this point if we had followed the original recommendations to send upwards of 300,000 troops to start with.
Now, after all that knuckle dragging Bush finally decides to send more troops just as the Iraq has become unpopular, and after the ISG's report. The Democrats, after chastising Rumsfield for not listening to the original recommendation they now side with the ISG. It's like both sides just decided to switch their opinions just to be contrary to each other.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:17 am
by highlife
wvosis.......The Democrats, after chastising Rumsfield for not listening to the original recommendation they now side with the ISG. It's like both sides just decided to switch their opinions just to be contrary to each other.

me......Welcome to the never ending pile of theories and guess's wvosis. The only thing for sure about this topic is confusion. I think the dems were pissed off at rum for not going all out in the beginning when we could have got control and won hearts and minds. Security back than would have lead to rebiulding and jobs. Now its so out of control the dems want out . What i dont get is if the generals were talking about 300,000 troops back than how come were having trouble coming up with 170,000 total [ after the surge ] now. They keep saying were stretched too thin. Were the generals saying back than we shouldnt go in becouse we didnt have 300,000 troops to commit ?

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:57 am
by wvosis
QUOTE(highlife @ Jan 11 2007, 07:17 PM) I think the dems were pissed off at rum for not going all out in the beginning when we could have got control and won hearts and minds. Security back than would have lead to rebiulding and jobs. Now its so out of control the dems want out . What i dont get is if the generals were talking about 300,000 troops back than how come were having trouble coming up with 170,000 total [ after the surge ] now. They keep saying were stretched too thin. Were the generals saying back than we shouldnt go in becouse we didnt have 300,000 troops to commit ?

Here's my belief: Republicans didn't want to make Iraq into a full out "War" (capital W there), because a draft would be unpopular no matter how you try to spin it. The Army already had the Powell doctrine in effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine , this isn't propaganda, this is written by Powell) basically don't get into a conflict unless we have the boots to do it.
The Dems don't want a war period, but just to show they're still patriotic they'll just back the Army's recommendation that Shinseki claimed (several hundred thousand troops). Republicans go into denial because again, they can't pull off that many troops and can't draft.
Once the Iraq Study Group which is a "non partisan endeavor" (Can't say for sure, something smells leftist, then again Nixon advocated "Vietnamization" and he sure as hell wasn't a lefty) advocated having Iraqis take over their security. The administration gets scared and realize NOW they have to stabilize the country and decide to send a meager 27,000+ troops (day late and a dollar short).
Now the Dems have the house they side with a pullout and a time table that ISG recommends because they think "hey we're so justified we can now backslide into our real intentions" and now advocate the full pullout

There's just one way to describe this, pussyfooting on both sides. Unacceptable, I wish either side would stick with an agenda. If either of them did I don't think we'd have this mess. If we were going to go to Iraq we should have done it full out. Congressional Republicans should have stopped thinking about re-election and go ahead and approve a draft. Congressional Democrats did have enough numbers to stop a 2/3ths vote to stop the deployment of troops and they should have done it if they meant it. Again they too were looking for re-election and decided not to look unpatriotic. Hooray for "playing it safe"

Btw to sum up my political views I'm a Barry Goldwater Conservative

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:09 pm
by Bot
QUOTE(Brains @ Jan 11 2007, 05:12 AM) aj. yes, a man can only be considered smart when he is able to apologize for the mistakes he has made.

I do not see that in his speech though. he merely mentions: "Where mistakes have been made." Err... that is not admitting mistakes, is it? He does not say "We have made a mistake and I take full responsibility."

because... as far as I am concerned and I did not change my opinion in years: that Iraq war could be one of the biggest mistakes in US history. I mean, what will happen now: more troops, increased violence (the man said it himself), an incapable Iraq government and incorrect US support. But it all needs to be fixed by November (keep on dreaming). What will happen after that? A gradual US pull-out?! Hmm. You'll have 432,162 sq km of terrorist paradise, which goes quite against the whole "war on terror" idea. So... stay there then and go against US public opinion?! A dire view imho. Best president in a decade?! I am not sharing that view.

I get the feeling they didn't teach you the necessary reading skills to function properly in society over in Belgium. Boy am I glad I'm studying in Canada.