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meh... let's rock the cradle a bit and yes. it's been waaaaay to quiet here. and yes, it is with a view on the US and not something local.

a lot of americans I used to talk to were convinced of the US's honesty in advocating that the iraq war was about Al Qaeda, WMD and the liberty of the Iraqi people.

Greenspan, one of the more respected republicans, mentions in his biography that it was not! that it was about... (hold your breath)... OIL!

personally, I didn't need Greenspan to tell me. I knew that all along and fervently defended that view.

now that there is someone highly respected mentioning so, what do you guys believe?

is Greenspan right? or is he just getting senile / on dope / moving towards Alzheimer / loosing it / trying to get (even) more $$$ or just plain not-any-more-to-be-respected?!

Yes, I believe it was about oil...

but I think it was for reasons of a deal gone wrong...We made a deal with them using the only commodity they have, and they tried to fuck us thinking we wouldn't push the button...

Whoops...

Come on brains, it was part of the reason but not the entire reason...go look at a map and look at where it is located...that's right, right in the heart of the "Axis of Evil" empire. The next mission is just starting to warm up





Just wait until we breakout the real weapons, we have some shit that will fuck some people up

buff... it was the only reason if you ask me. links with al qaeda were unproven. wmd were nowhere near according to the last inspections and the iraqi people: the us don't care. why wouldn't they have protected hospitals and basic services instead of the oil ministry if they did? lol

btw. your last line: you really do sound like somebody i should be respecting more than the average terrorist. :|

what is the axes of evil? and why exactly is it the axes of evil?


@um: which deal are you talking about?

Look again, it is AXIS. Where are you getting AXES from?

lol

ok then.

what is the axis of evil? and why exactly is it the axis of evil? oh... and which empire is that?! this "axis of evil" empire?!? what is its heart?

it's funny... these discussions you can have with emotional beings.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01287.html

The man really clarified his own statement; saying that he presented the case to the Administration that the removal of Hussein would be a tremendous thing for the world ecomony, and speculative global oil reserves.

He further says, this was not the ONLY report they heard, but he presented it as HIS prime motivation for supporting the removal of Hussein. He was also frustrated other people would not include the oil impact in their own reports, but that was HIS reason. We all wish other people could see his reason.

Spo, basically, an economist has said when it comes to a war, the biggest benefits he can PERSONALLY see are economic. Really shouldn't be that suprising.

if we think about opening a new power plant,
I look at the regulatory impact,
the com ops group look at the price point of the local market delivery points,
the HR people look at the humans and training required or relocation, if neccesary.
the legal people look at the binding contracts in the area
the IT people look to see if they have teh internets

i.e. WE ALL DO ANALYSIS FROM OUR PROFESSIONAL STANCE.

Greenspan's was as an economic advisor. He "offered" some opinion about the war from an economic standpoint, and had to rely on oil supply speculation, but honestly - that's not his job, and the "proven oil reserve" estimates he uses have a large risk associated with them. And the reason he did this, is because without oil, the country of iraq is economically insignificant. what else could he put in his financial report? Do you know how many other departments they heard from that gave them a big reason?

LISTEN CAREFULLY: We have NO idea how much oil there is, but we know we know little about it, and we have to make assuptions. We know those assumption are off by as much as 400 years!!!

So ask an economist, and yeah, he's gonna say its about the money. and furthermore, he is going to say "everyone else knew it was about the money, too. they just wouldn't admit it."

In this case, he couldn't be more wrong. We could have had far better luck, more oil, less reisistance, and a greater welcome in Nigeria or Darfur IF it was about the oil.