There is no God!

[Aemeth]

First of all, I am back and going to make an effort to be a big part of this part of the site. I know that you all were dying to know that, and don't really want to read on for my actual post because all you wanted to know is whether or not I will be participating more, but please, show a little respect for the Knowledge tree:

Do you think that those who deny God and all that is associated with the spiritual realm do so not because they actually believe it, but rather to satisfy a pity-craving masochism found in each and every one of us? For example, think back to the last time you thought that nothing spiritual could exist. Remember how it kind of felt good (in a twisted way) to establish yourself as a worthless nothing under the stars? With all of your responsibility and moral obligations down the drain, and no standards, I think that some people deny God for reasons that actually have nothing to do with philosophy or spirituality.

Am I way off here? While the aforementioned may not be the primary reason, do you think it is a significant factor (along with the whole "I'm a badass Nihilist deal...")?

[NotFunny]

There is only one true god.



and his instrument........



Do you ever feel hostility towards small furry animals?

[AYHJA]

Aemeth, please let me apologize to you on behalf on NF, he's a great poster, but fairly new and hasn't quite discovered that this is the only forum on the site in which we insist guys keep things on a somewhat serious level, aka, no trolling...And, welcome back...

:)

Now...

Do you think that those who deny God and all that is associated with the spiritual realm do so not because they actually believe it, but rather to satisfy a pity-craving masochism found in each and every one of us?

I'm not sure I catch what you mean here...I don't think I've ever had that feeling, or anything remotely close to it...There are certain things that drive my spiritual belief system, and I'm not sure how high self is on the list...I mean, live or die, this world will be here regardless, or so I think...I think that in all forms, pity is a huge weakness, and if I catch myself exemplifying that trait in even the slightest, I slap my ass into gear...

I think people that deny the existence of a God are merely incapable of believing in anything...The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...If that statement is true, then so goes that argument...

Remember how it kind of felt good (in a twisted way) to establish yourself as a worthless nothing under the stars?

Not sure what you mean here either, in many ways I feel we are all a part of the universe as a whole; and that we share a common bond with all things...There is something present in us that is present in everything...And the very core of anything significant is the presence of something that would otherwise be insignificant...

Elaborate more on what you mean with that phrase, I think I may just be missing the point...

[zaphodz]

Could it be that people, particularly young people, don't really spend that much time in philosophical thought to care about the existence of god?

[trashtalkr]

That could be true Z. Young people generally just want to focus on the here-and-now. There is no time like the present. Also, a lot of them think that they are invincible and that the shit that happens in the world will never happen to them. That mindset could easily cause many not to believe in God. Also, many are too lazy just to take the time to research and soul-search

[NotFunny]

this is the only forum on the site in which we insist guys keep things on a somewhat serious level

Duly noted!

[Aemeth]

Yes, my generation is full of apathetic, mentally indifferent individuals but that is not quite what I am driving at here...

Ty is right; pity is a week emotion...But let's be honest, there is some part of us that CRAVES it...We want to either be the busiest person or the most exhausted person or something else...

Perhaps it can be seen best in the midst of a dispute with a significant other. Have you ever noticed how your mind loves to slip into "maybe she is not the one and we are going to break up" thoughts? Your heart feels all heavy, and while it is not a good feeling, our (or at least my) mind enjoys that realm. As Ty mentioned, I try to discipline it, but it is hard...

I am thinking that this may apply on a bigger level; some might deny God just because they are subconsciously addicted to pity. And there is no greater pity-high than saying "I will be nothing more than dust when this life is over."

The "for-God" weak embrace religion because they cannot fathom the misery of eternal damnation. I am sort of proposing an antithesis: perhaps the "against-God" weak cling to their view because they cannot fathom the temporal joy of our time here on earth, so they subconsciously drown it out with a pessimistic approach to life which of course is made auspicious by the pity-engine...

I do listen to a lot of Atmosphere (emo-rap), so possibly I am just on my own here haha...But does this make any more sense?

[AYHJA]

I see where you coming from now, that makes it a little better...All I can say is that you'll likely only find answers with age, time, and experience...If there was ever a time that I did feel that way, I got over it...One thing that I read on these forums was how God 'works'...Also heard the same thing on Evan Almighty, but at any rate...When you pray for patience, you don't get patience...You get put in a position where the only thing there is is patience...You pray to stop worrying about stuff and you get pushed to the point where you have no choice but to let it go...

I feel the same way about people that deny there is no God...Like I've said before, someone who can totally dismiss the idea of even a possibility of God is not an atheist...And someone who truly doesn't believe in that isn't someone I'd trust to be able to make rational decisions...That person is a person that could not say they love someone, or that they believe anything...Cause no matter how you cut it, 95% of the things that drive us aren't things that you can see and touch...

You have to have some kind of idea of what God is to be able to deny the existence of one...So to those people, I simply tell them that their problem is their perception...

[Aemeth]

I think that is a solid point...Anyone else?

[Fapper]

IMHO

About God we can only say whether we believe or not on his existence.

Before falling in the mistake of asking the other part to prove the existence or the not existance of God (depending on where you are situated in this topic). I want to point that it could never be proved, maybe someone will convice more equals of his belief, which has more to do with dialectics as in politics than a revelation of any truth.

There's some truth in Ayhja's saying though he twisted it forward his own mill, so i'd like to reform that sentence: someone who deny the possibility of being wrong is not to be trusted (not even for himself).