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Chea, so Im readin that book I got bout Time n Space, and read the following theory based on Immanuel Kant's teachings...

He says that the answer to the question "is Time eternal or did it have a beginning" is this..

Neither.

He talks about Time being nothing more than a way that the mind measures changes..

For if none of our minds existed, would time (Think first!)?

The principle of existance is unchanging, and doesnt know past present or future since it is infinite. Yet in can change (pie is infinite yet always changing). So Time is merely the unconscious way in which our minds measure changes in existance.

God controls existance, and before the Creation, there was no change, so therefore no need for time. That can at least give us a little insight into my earlier question "Why did God create the world when He did" (makes it N/A), and also invites us to maybe understand a little how an "infinity" is possible.

Huh....that's wierd. I don't think time only exists because our minds do, but I'll have to think about this one...

Time in our sense is a tool of measurement...I am not sure how is it you are inquiring about time (AM or PM, etc.), but what we call time definitely exists...Has nothing to do with our minds, for there is always progression, though you can call it what you want...

This is an "If a tree falls in the woods, does it still make a sound" kind of question, and thinking about it in that sense may help it come to some perspective...Remember the 5 P's...

1st Dimension - Position
2nd Dimension - Perimeter
3rd Dimension - Perception
4th Dimension - Progression
5th Dimension - Probability (Boolean Expression)

I wrote a bit about those P's in my Blogger, peep if you want...

But would time exist independantly of our minds? I say no..
EXISTANCE could, but no "time would pass"..

We judge time by change, time cannot exist without change (it could, but we wouldnt know it, but if we didnt know it, it is not time as we know it..but rather, infinite existance..so, if our minds cant notice change, the very thing by which we measure time, then time is confined to an unconscious measuring system of the brain).

No, there will still be time, we just wouldn't notice it. Time will go on no matter what, the only thing that changes is our perception of time

I've noticed as you grow older, time goes faster.

Think about it. From the time you wake up in the morning until you go to bed at night, it slips by quicker when you're older.

The comic Red Skelton once observed that time is both the friend and an enemy of mankind. If someone tells you they don't have time to do anything, they don't know how to control it.

QUOTE(trashtalkr)No, there will still be time, we just wouldn't notice it. Time will go on no matter what, the only thing that changes is our perception of time

Yes, that it how it appears, for I used to hold the same view..

But without change, it would be like the world "paused" (temporal vacuum), and we would never notice (to notice is a change in a mental state). 5 million years could have passed in a temporal vacuum sometime while you were reading this post, and you would not know. Is that time really passing tho? Now think, if there was nothing in the universe, ie no possibility for change, time would only exist in this sense, which in my opinion, is really not time at all...since time is dependant on our minds..

If you still believe that time is independant of our minds..

When did it start? With Creation, obviously, but it is because only then that things started to change. Say, "well so time was in place before our minds were, that proves it doesnt need our minds", BUT, just because things change, does not mean time is passing (tho in our minds it is cuz time is of our minds). We measure our experience of this change, and call it time. For with God, there is no time. With us, there is. Past present and future are unknown to God, yet we embrace them. I think we came up with "Time" unconsciously to measure our experiences. Just because things change, that does not mean that "Time is going by", but rather that an eternal existance is now changing (ie Pie). We measure this change with "Time".

If time wasnt in our mind, but a property of the universe, I dont think we would be able to know. But I think it is in our mind so...

And if you think time is infinite, that falls short too..I will explain if needed but not right now I gotta run..

QUOTE(DeEje)But without change, it would be like the world \"paused\" (temporal vacuum), and we would never notice (to notice is a change in a mental state)

Where did you get the idea that a "pause" is a temporal vacuum? We wouldn't notice change, but that doesn't mean that change doesn't happen. We may not notice time going by but it still does.

Please explain what you mean

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Like I said, this isn't that hard...

"Time" may not exist...But...Progression...In any direction...would, right..?

Change is the only constant in the universe...

Whether you want to call it time or not, I can't go there...Are you saying that just because the universe stops for you (it won't) that "time" would not have passed..?

Like I said, time is a tool...And all tools have limits...There are numbers that can't be comprehended by a "normal" human mind, and progression extends beyond that...

Not to knock your hustle DeEje, but I have found that it is good to read new things, but that you build your own conclusions...RAUM is one of my best friends and someone I consider a teacher, but I take even the things he says with a chaser...You made an interesting point in another thread, by saying, "I'm the realest person I know..."

And that's what's up...But, have your foundation and build on it, not vice versa...