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The End Times..
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:09 pm
by Aemeth
Ok, lets be honest, a lot of us barely have the slightest idea of what the book of Revelation is truly symbolizing. Are we in the end times? What are things to look for? How will it go down when the world as we know it comes to a close?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:50 pm
by AYHJA
Good question..!
My opinion of the subject is a new one...I was under the impression that the last days were about us, but I'm sure that similar goings on were present at some point in history, and look Ma, we still here..!
I think...That if civilization started in the middle east...Then it will end in the middle east...If that Super Volcano laying in your backyard goes on to Erupt DeEje, we will pretty much be fucked...When power shifts from America, to the middle east, I'd suggest packing up your shit and moving with it...
Just a theory though...So much of Revelation is lost in the translation though...Hard to really say what is what, you know..?
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:17 am
by trashtalkr
I think a lot is lost in translation but also a lot of it is "Jewish" lingo I've heard. Alot of it is symbolism that the old Jews were taught. I don't know if it's still taught now or not. That's just what I've heard.
I think that we are in the End Times but we'll never know when it will end.
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:58 pm
by Aemeth
up..
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:28 pm
by deepdiver32073
The Book of the Revelation was written to a group (early Christians) who needed a REALLY good reason to keep to the faith. It is steeped in Hebrew mysticism, and written somewhat in the style of a Greek drama. It has been read by every generation since it was written and believed it pertains to that generation. The "predictions" found in the book are vague enough to apply to just about any scenario. There is always war going on somewhere in the world, there has always been famine and disease and pestilence.
As someone who has studied the book in its original language, I believe it teaches one simple lesson; live each day like it was the last day of humanity, because it just very well might be.
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:52 am
by raum
The book is a testimony to the effectiveness of the magick of the Essenes, and from where it came from. It is a series of inspired visualizations after some rather gruesome practices of fasting, forced bowel movements, sensory depravation, and other practices quite popular with many of the more extreme fringes of Qabalistic thought.
The relevation is specific to John's own life, but it is also universal. It was delivered in a sacred grotto on the Greek Isle of Patmos It is a account of the process of Initiation, in the form of the same kind of rambling that accounts for clarity when in a state of hallucinating. There is a variety of tangents of meaning flowign through it, and this is made worse by the fact that the church has yet to ever release it in its entirety, and without their revisions.
In fact, it is not a Revelation, as its greek title reveals, it is an apokalupsis, an instruction or "disclosure of truth".
It was revealed on Patmos, an isle that had been inhabited for a long time. It was on the isle of Patmos, sacred to Artemis/Diana, where her oracles met in a grotto to pay homage to her. This is the very same grotto where John recieved the Apokalupsis, from Jeshua. Artemis/Diana is the woman pregnant with the sun, btw.
According to mythology, Patmos was called Letoisse and it was the island of Diana, daughter of Leto, after whom the island was named. Myth claims that Patmos lay on the bottom of the sea. Selini, the moon, was in love with Endymion, who would sleep in the temple of Diana at Karia, and every time she saw him, she would light the island in the water, creating a scene of unique beauty. Selini, asked Diana to raise the island above the sea and this was achieved with the help of Apollo, brother of Diana, who asked this favour from his father, Zeus. After the island emerged and was warmed by the sun, Diana encouraged many people to inhabit it.
The interesting thing is the Connection to Diana/Artemis doesn't stop there.
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Ephesus is the first church John is told to write, and it is in Ephesus that the Temple to Diana/Artemis is located.
The city was famous for its beauty. The Seventh Wonder of the World was at Ephesus. This wonder was the Temple of Artemis. It had been rebuilt after a great fire in 356 B.C., and ranked as one of the Seven Wonders of the World until its destruction by the Goths in 263 A.D. After years of patient search J.T. Wood in 1870 uncovered the ruins of this incredible structure in the marsh at the foot of Mt. Ayasoluk. It had been the largest building in the Greek world. The temple of Diana was four times the size of the Parthenon in Athens, being 425 feet long, 225 feet wide, with a forest of about 130 thirty-thousand pound sixty foot high columns, all being gifts from kings of the ancient world. Each column around the altar to Artemis (Diana to the Romans) had life-size figures all covered with pure gold.
The city was famous for its religion. It contained an image of the goddess which it claimed had fallen from heaven (Acts 19:35). Indeed, it may well have been a meteorite originally. Silver coins from many places show the validity of the claim that the goddess of Ephesus was revered all over the world (Acts 19:27). They bear the inscription "Diana Ephesia" (Acts 19.34).
If someone could pay me for a month, I could write a third of what is going on in Revelations, and still not touch the Jewish stuff.
vertical,
raum
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:12 am
by AYHJA
I was doing some reading of my own, and have come across several different pieces that state various books of the bible were not written by the artists claim...All of that is kind of null and void due to the fact that the bible is taken from many different sourecs...
That in itself is another topic I believe, so I won't trash this one...
Gonna have to start the "ADN Scholarship Fund" for you RAUM, LoL...
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:38 am
by Pete
QUOTE(deepdiver32073)As someone who has studied the book in its original language, I believe it teaches one simple lesson; live each day like it was the last day of humanity, because it just very well might be.
carpe deim baby.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:48 am
by Lost Ghost
hey....timbos back