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Well last year I did this novel called "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxely of which the first few chapters were just so boring that I didnt feel like reading the rest of but I'm glad that I did. It was about a utopain soceity that had given up indivduality in order to attain order in soceity. Some of you might be familiar with this book. So what I want to know what do you deem as a utopia? and why ? and what you would say are the short falls of that society?

what should we be able to get a soceity that is perfect in every way and would it really be perfect in every way ?

What is utopia really ?

Utopia would be for me, to be able to take the one thing in this earth that keeps you grounded and sane, and it be teh best possible thing in the world to have...

In my case, it would be a forum that never crashes, with a domain that never expires, running on m dual core athlon beast with Quad RAID 3 terrabyte, 3 GB of RAM PC...

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But to not make light of the topic, I just think that life is what you make it...Society will always structure itself to one up on the next man...

I did read Brave New World. It is not as easy reading as 1984, but I still thought it was a very good book.

Regarding our society's flaws, I think it is all human nature. The hippies for example may have had the right intentions, but their model society was doomed to fail due to human nature. We people want more. We are ambitious and we like material possessions.

A more realistic and fair society would be a technocracy, but again we are too complex for such a simple model to work. We want to stand out. We want to be better than the other guy. This is the only flaw in a technocratic society. It is the same flaw that communism had. They both wrongly assume we are happy being and having just the same as the others. We are not happy being equal. It is not in our nature.

Can a Utopia exist? I don't think it is a question of a perfect society, but rather an imperfect human nature. It does not matter what model we use. As long as we are the complex beings that we are we cannot all be trully happy. Any utopia calls for a simple existance and we are just not simple beings.

The name of the city I am about to move to is Ben Salem... means "Son of Peace"

that is the name of the Utopia created by Francis Bacon, in his New Atlantis. People exercised God's gift of control of Universal Forces and control the "living winds" (Angels) of that island, even to the point that the common citizen can jump off a cliff and be blown back on to the top by a sudden zephyr.

oh, and it is also the name attributed to the hiding place of the Treasure of the Templars...

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It is true 1984 is easy read compared to Brave New World and there is a lot more symbolism involved. I had to do both books in one year for this research project that I did.

Anyway

QUOTE(bd55). Any utopia calls for a simple existance and we are just not simple beings.

I agree with that statment. Over the years of human existence humans have developed into extremly complex creatures and do not know how to be simple. We all have been confirmed to a certain way that requires material existence and power and objectivity. If we can relinquish materiality and power we might have a small chance but then again we will always have non-conformist because of whom a utopia would once again fail.