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disclaimer: I am white, and i will say the "n" word to hammer a point home in this.

If you have played GTA San Andreas, you probably enjoyed it. One of the things marking it is that is pretty uncensored, with some stylizing, and highly entertaining strong and "gangsta" charged dialogue. Many parents were completely offended it said "nigga" so freely, even though they knew it had simulations of killing public servants and specifically criminal gand activity, and they were ok with that.

The hook is, many people have been offended when i wrote the "n" word before, on many other forums, to hammer a point. Well, i am a mod here, so I get to decide what goes. The script for the game was co-written by white men, and programmed into the marquis screens by other white men. If you read it on thescreen while you played, it was put there by a white man. Deal with it. So, why is it ok,. for him to do so, and not others? Because he did it to create a highly charged ultra-smooth ultra-violent cliche ante-hero nigga who is out for vegeance and to reclaim the respect his gang once had? I'm cool with that,.. Then why can't I say it when I am trying to talk about the use of the word, and its context? I really don't use it otherwise, out of consideration that it MIGHT be considered offensive. But in a discource, fuck it.

you can say the word "necrophilia" and people might have a charge about it, but they won't attack you for using the word...

So, c'mon explain to me somehow its ok for one man to get paid to write the word as he prtrays a noir-gansta world in semi states of hyper-riot like L.A. or France, and another man who can not mention it at all without drawing gross criticism, even when he is mentioning use of the word by others?

Sad thing, is if this site statistically is like the U.S., there will be people offended by what I wrote- even people who played GTA for days.

As a black dude that says the word almost religiously, let me drop some input on the subject at hand...

PERSONALLY, the word has no ill effect on me...If you are trying to insult me, using that will will certainly not get you any less of an asswhipping, but in a casual setting, I make no note of it...It is a word attributed to a color and often that blends into a culture...I've had white girlfriends that have hung around nothing but black people, and I'm pretty sure she said it to me in a "Nigga please..!" kind of way...It is a word just like any other word, and like words, they have consequences...If you are prepared to deal with them, shit, let it fly...

I am quite sure nobody here needs a history on the origin of the word, or its original uses...That in mind, I can't figure why ANYBODY would want to use the word, but much less someone not black...For what..?

There were several 'consultants' for SanAn, they wanted to give an authentic experience...As a black dude, I felt it was indeed that, and not forced, ie, some white guy running up the score and trying to justify it...

And, just being real, most black people, myself included, don't really care for others dropping the N-Bomb for another reason...No other slur in the known language will carry as much weight on it for the majority race...Not Nazi, not Cracker, not Wop, not Ofay...You call a white man a cracker, it don't move him the same way it moves a black dude when you call him a nigger...

The word only has one context when it comes out of the mouth of somone who isn't a minority...In an all white neighborhood, kids don't grow up saying the word to refer to one another...In the neighborhood I grew up in, you say it without even thinking about it...The meaning of the word changes from one race to another...And I don't think anyone should go around using a word when they don't know what it means...

Plus, the only reparation we got from slavery was being able to rush the first white dude we hear say it... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

true dat,.. but you said white kids growing up don't use that to refer to each other, and that was not true of where i was from.

but we all coon-ass, so you know it "a'h righ coo" with us, anyway. I was commonly referred to as a "nigge-jew" because I studied hebrew (and my co-worker from Israel cracks up at my pronunciation, because it is archaic, btw!), even though I got blonde and blue like a Skinhead posterchild, and when I would point out I wasn't black, they would call me a wetback, or some shit. kids don't make a whole hell of alot of sense, really.

My mom worked with an old man, and with a name like Jacob Johnson Birdsong (Jay-jay burdzon, around his cigar) he was a man the likes of which you only find in a checkered hat and a striped pair of pants with a camel hair coat, if you know what I mean. drive a lac that requires two to steer. he was always callin me a "nigglet" and it cracked my mom up, and still does - or "tunes" because he liked my music (run DMC religiously). My uncle still calls me that.

Also, my first boss was "Don King" (seriously) and he was kitchen lead,.. he called us all "negro", and just told me I was the one that was put in a basket, like moses. I wouldn't use the word loosely, but I could certainly say it, if in comment to something he said. I am pretty sure he was a drunk, but a good natured one and he kept all us kids in line, and it amused him to call me a negro, or better yet "cotton-picker" just like he called a really dark dude I worked with but the reverse-nickname "snow-ball", and I didn't really care, and actually it was a sign that he understood i was important to his kitchen crew, who were all black and invisible to the guests of the French sidewalk cafe. He also called me headlights (grr..), cause it took me a minute to grow into my ears,.. (go on, say something!)

Besides, I have actually picked cotton.

For us, we could easily use that... as long as our parents didn't hear. I didn't even curse until i joined the navy, so I wasn't likely to use any word which stood as controversial, besides i studdered anhd you can't talk sh-sh-sh-shit w-w-ww-when y-y-y-y-ou c-c-c-can'-t-t- talk. But aside from the n word was just something you couldn't stop, the word popped on to insult a black kid was "boy." and that shit was deadly in a playground. It was a mistake you would never make again. We even called it the "b" word, and it'd be like "Donell be de fight again. Randy call him B!" (we don't learn how to speak right in de -Ana.)

I can not count the number of crackers who got KTFO using the "b" word behind the buses.

I lived in oakland for a decade, and never heard it unless it was in a song,.. even from the blacks. they use thug, pimp, balla, grit, and all knda of other terms in speech. I prolly didn't hear it more than five times, uness it was on a roll-by, a cd, movie, or stage. alot of times, they used "boy" but my experience of watching that word be a death sentence keeps me from saying it to people, most of time.

Insults never bothered me,.. they usually reveal people's lack of knowledge, and that amuses me more than infuriates me. I have never gotten shit for using the word except online, and usually when someone couldn't form an educated refute to a statement I made.

I like raum am white and NEVER use the word except to make a point that it can be and is offensive to 99.9% of persons of African-American origins. I might use it RARELY in an intellectual/philosophical discussion surrounding the race issue, but I grew up hearing it regularly used as a slur toward a person just because he had more pigmentation in his skin than I do. Hell, I even had to work on my wife when we first started going out because she was raised in rural Florida among racist parents and racist friends. She was taught one way... I taught her another. Now she has more friends of "color" than white. Sometimes all it takes is someone to make a person aware of how hurtful that word can be. I haven't had near as much luck with my father, but hell, he's had 79 years of being the way he is and sadly, I don't think he's going to change all that much.

Ty, were we together and another white guy said that word to you, you'd have to pull me off him to get your licks in! LOL

yeah, not to mention calling someone an "ass pickle" is more fun, cause their face screws up a minute as the imagery hits them.

heheh

LMAO..!!!! Hahaha, I hope that doesn't happen..!

Among us AF'ers I don't really care...Any person that is racist would have left the site eons ago...Like I said, it wouldn't bother me...I have slept on raum's floor and he has mine, we would go WAY beyond the N-bomb...And some people that aren't black can be as close to black as you can get, and go through what raum did...But online, man, to be honest there are just so many people that don't need computers...And that's all I can say about that...

Again, DD I am very thankful for your higher mind man, even though you can't blame someone for what they are taught...I'm telling you, you haven't lived until you hear a 4 year old look up into your face in a shopping store and go, "Mommy, is that a nigger..?" (True Story)...Man, the English language is so vast...Shit, the word of the day thread is full of them...We ALL should stop saying that word to be honest...

deep; i share the sentiment, but can't call people "of color" makes me feel like a robot of the politically correct army.

i usually don't even mention color except if it is outside of personally identifying someone. I would never say "my black friend marcus" - (catches his breath) - hell, i didn't know he was black for like a year and half. i just knew he was a sipper *i.e. from mississippi - cause they can't hold their liquor;) - so he had a little vinegar in his mouth. it was refreshing, actually.

i don;'t even take inventory and make sure i have a proper representation of minorities in my circle of friends. if they white, that's they momma fault, not mine /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> pretty insensitive, huh?

I agree. It makes me wince when I hear a black person say it... even when they're joking around. It sort of perpetuates the word and like you, I think it just needs to fade out of the English usage like some of those Old English words that we don't use anymore. It never had a legitimate place in the language, so I'd love to see it just fade away.

Probably a pipe-dream... but I can hope, can't I?

QUOTE(raum)deep; i share the sentiment, but can't call people \"of color\" makes me feel like a robot of the politically correct army.

I was only using that term facetiously. I too don't refer to my friends by the color of their skin unless it's to help identify them more succinctly. Reminds me of a story I read in Reader's Digest years ago... A soldier's wife was coming to the town his base was located in but couldn't meet her train, so he told her his friend would meet her. Well, her train arrived and she looked all over the station for her husband's friend for well over an hour. Finally, they got together and went back to the base. When they met with her husband she remarked, "We would have found each other a lot quicker if you had mentioned that your friend happened to be black!" And then the friend replied, "Yeah, and if you had told me your wife was 9 months pregnant too!"

I don't know if anyone has seen any of Richard Pryor's concert show, but in one of them he tells blacks to shut the fuck up about it.

He explained that he went to Africa for a month, and was amazed at the scenery, and the beauty of the place he was staying at. Then he stopped and thinking out loud, said that in the month that he was there, not one time, did he hear the word "Nigger" said.

He told the blacks in the audience that its a word used out of their own ignorance and he didn't want the blacks ever using it again, telling them to knock that shit off now.