History Channel's Bible Code?

[Gaara-San]

This isn't new, but my friend told me on the HC, that a special was called the Bible code, which predicts stuff. Such as 9/11, Major Earthquake in 2010, and the Asteroid Impact in 2012. Anyone want to add something here? Is it bogus? Real?

[AYHJA]

We started this topic here: http://www.ayhja.com/forums/viewtopic.p ... light=code

And eventually answered it in another thread I think...Basically, we just kinda came to the conclustion that it was full of shit, as they could do similar things with works like Moby Dick, etc...I think that there is something to it, as in the original Hebrew and the way that that it is arraged, but I don't think it is something that could be or would be widely discussed on a TV show...

[raum]

My official stance is that the phenomenon of the bible code (known in the morning paper as "wordsearch") is not exclusive to the Tanakh (i.e. the Hebrew Bible, or which the Torah is the most comman part examined.), and while the idea is an interesting extrapolation for personal mediation on past events (especially if you read the context where the "code" is found, it is capapable of yielding statements which are not true as well. Thus, if there is a hidden truth, there is also a hidden "alternate truth"... and to the current limits of human ability, it becomes as unstable and unreliable as any other means to predict events that you lack intimate knowledge of.

The other dilemma is that the transliteration of Hebrew in no way sounds the same, and in some cases has different meanings. Thisa is confounded further by the fact that the spelling is loose, and the dominant programs used to search the Torah (i.e. the Pentateuch) for "codes" use a unmoderated letter substitution and word association technique. This is confounded because it was not until the kingdom of David that the Tanakh was transcribed, as it currently exists, as there was a grammar mandate developed for consistent spelling and structure between the kingdoms of Judah and Israel. All of this is well after when Moses recieved the Torah, according to tradition.

Equidistant lettering structure is however an interesting anamoly of writing that reinforces certain post-structural philosophical tendencies about the ordered patterns of the written word, and support the application of infinite sets. It also supports certain ideas of the sum total of human knowledge as the sum total of human existence, filtered through the egoic limitations of time and space. but most of these advanced consciousness ideas are still in the fledgling states and are considered "borderline mysticism."

basically, mystics, book worms, conspiracy theorists, mathematicians, and philosophers can find some use for this stuff, but are in no way limited to being required to use it to fulfill their callings, as it were. And students of Linguistics cringe at the idea someone thinks that the key to language has been found, and is such a simple idea, because it is not supported by etymology, phonemic structure, lexonemic frequency, or even "meaningful utterances."

If one were interested in biblical hebrew, it would be better to get a good concordance. (or wait till I straighten out my cable, and upload the files.)

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[Yelram]

Did you ever think that it is possibly a characteristic of all language? That language in and of itself holds univeral truths derived from the correlation of sacred syllables. Cetain languages express this better because they arent bounded by phonetics. I mean if you look down through the Thesaurus (The Source), its kind of creepy how the word meanings unravel. I believe that there were originally 4 root languages that were taken from the original language (pre-babel) and twisted 90 degrees and sent out to the 4 corners of the world. In the end times these languages would come together to form the universal language. It is a common belief that man controls language, I believe that language is dictated by a higher power.

[raum]

Yelram, welcome to VU:

QUOTEDid you ever think that it is possibly a characteristic of all language?

I actually have expressed as much in this and other threads. I think that any meaningful utterance, or symbolic representation of it, contains a perspective of truth which one must be properly attuned to to accurately percieve. Alternatively, a person properly trained can utilize utterances and symbols to encode and convey their own meanings and enact or predict phenomenon in their own life, but there are crucial components a person must have properly solidified as part of their reality for this to work; and these must be balanced against the weight of the disfunction of a given person's psyche.

QUOTEThat language in and of itself holds univeral truths derived from the correlation of sacred syllables. Cetain languages express this better because they arent bounded by phonetics.

Actually, all languges have phonetics, but not necessarily Phonics. Still, a phonemic and lexemic analysis of any two manguages reveals easily all languages are rooted to key sounds being used to identify certain core concepts of society and human participatory observation with their natural environment.

QUOTEI mean if you look down through the Thesaurus (The Source), its kind of creepy how the word meanings unravel.

Thesauros is the Ancient Greek word for "Treasure house" - Thesauros was what philosophers called to the Library of Alexander. That is where it gets its name. Not creepy, nor incidental.. just a case of the Masonic loss of the Key.

for example, in the Masonic Rite, you get to a point in your degrees where they tell you "we inherited the Rite, but not the key." One of us will find it, so we pass on the Rite, in hopes it will get to him. The power is still there, but it waits to be unlocked. *This is part of the mythos of the inititory rites passed on from the death of Pythagoras.

QUOTEI believe that there were originally 4 root languages that were taken from the original language (pre-babel) and twisted 90 degrees and sent out to the 4 corners of the world. In the end times these languages would come together to form the universal language.

If you changed that to say "When the Aspirant properly synthesizes the languages of the world so that they come back together to reveal the Divine Providence that is the birthright of humanity, it causes within his consciousness and his life the phenomenon of merging his Ego with the Super-Ego, so that he may properly understand the analogy of the Apocalypsis, and transcend the limitations of a finite Temporally and Spacially bound life." I would completely agree.

QUOTEIt is a common belief that man controls language, I believe that language is dictated by a higher power.

Anyone who knows me knows one thing: I do not give one iota of credence to belief. Belief is like excusing the world from revealing its mysteries to you. Live according to what you Aspire to observe and participate in. Conversely, I have experienced that Language REVEALS a state of being that defies the limitations of Space and Time.

Thank you for such an insightful reply! If you can excuse my nitpicking and use of words,.. You'll like it here. Good folk in the U.

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