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Esther 1:10. King Ahasuerus ( known Historically as King Xerxes'). commanded Queen Vashti to come before the king and his ministers while they were drunk on the seventh night of the feast celebrating the power of Persia and Media that was centered in Shushan, on the third anniversary of his claiming of the Throne of Persia. She defied him, and thus she was the first woman to be divorced, i.e. exiled and stripped of her posessions. King Ahasuerus then married Esther.

In the story of Vashti, she is the rebellious woman, and the seven eunuchs are established as seven because there are seven Stages (†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Days†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬?) in The Creation of the Creation. This was done to maintain the story of Vashti as the metaphor for mankind†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢s divorce from Elohim, by their initial rebellion. The hidden sense is that of ignoring a sense of duty, and the effect on the consciousness. It is a warning to Esther (Israel) to be obedient to their God to maintain their claim to the throne, lest they be exiled.

What are your thoughts on divorce? Can those who ritually unify be seperated as simple as signing a agreement to disassociate?

I don't know, but I'll be reading this, as this has been a recent topic of interest of mine..

Personlly, I don't in divorce. You made a vow at your wedding to be with that person until death. You become one flesh with them and you cannot break that tie.

TT, I wholly believed that too. I felt as though I was one with my wife of 19 years. But sometimes events come along that sever those bonds. When I discovered that my wife was having an affair with my best friend it severely damaged those bonds, but I did not want to give up on it. I thought that by my will-power and desire alone, I could repair those bonds and have thing return to the way they were before. I stayed with her for a year after finding out, but as marriage takes two people cooperating together to make it work, it takes two to make repairs. That didn't happen. She didn't want things to change back to the way they had been. What she wanted was to have the new status quo stay. That wouldn't and didn't work.

What are your thoughts on divorce? Can those who ritually unify be seperated as simple as signing a agreement to disassociate?
For me the "divorce" happened long before the paperwork occured. The "divorce" really happened before I knew about it; it was when my wife made the conscious decision to break our marriage vows to "cleave only to him (me)". That decision created a rift between us, a break in our communication to each other, a break in the trust I had in her, and a break in my world. The paperwork was just the "State" recognizing the fact that the divorce had already occured.

There were other issues at work during my second marriage and divorce. I'll not go into them right now due to time constraints. But there were similar issues at work there.

This isn't a cop out, but seems it almost has to be relative...That death do us part shit...Man, it makes a good story, but everyone has a breaking point...I feel that if you make your vows with a pure heart then that's all that matters...

good point.

today, there was a article detailing that a person who gets married enjoys more wealth, typically. maybe because they have a family, and the commitments that come with it.

conversely, they reported a person who divorces loses an averge of 75% of their assets and wealth.

obviously a pre-nup is in order.

now,. my question: does a union HAVE to include the death till you part clause,.. or is it even there if you verbally omit or obscure it?

Is marriage forever? My reason for asking is one of chemistry, basically. A mixture is a combination of substances that can be separated, and still retain their origininal properties. A compound is a interaction of two substances that forever changes their properites. In it possible to separate them, but the chemical truth is that one of these rarely retains any atomic valence, and the other is an isotope with its properites forever changed and sometimes highly unstable.

Myself, I feel i have been in many "mixtures" but I truly believe my nature is, in terms of relationships, very unlikely to change, which is why my relationships (even with my closest family and dearest friends) are not immune to dissolution. This is why I have never married. I have achieved a interpersonal union, but it in no tangible way resembeled a socio-sexual coupling of any number or gender. In contrast, I share a relationship with someone who I do have chemistry with, but the Alchemy of our souls is currently far from being a complete synthesis of being.

It is the non-atmomic continuity of the Universe I am married to, and there is no divorce from That.

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Personally I believe a couple should do everything in their power to keep together. But I do believe sometimes even that is not enough.

There is no such a thing as love that lasts forever. A couple has to be aware that in any relationship there will be many times when things do not go right. It's just up to the couple to try to solve and get through such moments or just give up and break up. A divorce will not make anyone find a partner with whom everything will be perfect. That does not exist and if a couple is not willing to try to solve their problems, chances are they will not be willing to try to solve them with a new partner. Unless they figure out that perfect does not exist or do not really expect to spend the rest of their lives with one person.

granted, a sane response from bd55,

but if then there is no reprecussion for divorce, then what power is there in marriage, especially as a life-long commitment?

Well from my veiw people fear to be alone. Marrige somewhat has the power to relish that fear as you know that there will be someone beside you no matter what. I guess that is what marrige is about learning to make comprimises and dealing with things other then what only concerns you.

The power of marrige is that it lets people discover other parts of themselves that under normal circumstances they would not be able to do.

Strangly enough the hindi literature does not have a word for divorce.

heres what i believe. some people arent very smart when it comes to marriage. they marry the wrong person, and its just that simple. if a couple simply cannot solve their problems, there is no reason for them to stay together. granted, marriage is a sacred bond. but the problem is that not enough people are taking enough care to consider it so.

i dont believe that there arent any repercussions to a divorce. the emotional strain is never easy if you have to split. and if you have a child as well, things are evenmore difficult. i believe marriage and divorce are equally complicated, just in different ways. to say that divorce is "as simple as signing a agreement to disassociate" is a grossly inaccurate statement.