Now....let's actually read the threads.......I have never said that Reggie Bush is untalented....... so let's see how many times you decided to make that my arguement in your reply ...
Which one of us jumped up and said RB would be the best player in football next year, even if he doesn't have a decent team..?
I didn't say anything about my point until Aemeth went and said he'd be top 5 of all time.....so...theres your answer to that question.
"Well, the Pac-10 sucks, and lets see what he does against Texas," and shit, like on that day, football will cease to be a team sport...
Football has ceased to be a team sport ever since Reggie Bush stepped on the field for most folks. No one is giving any credit to USC's offensive line for any of RB's success....nor the fact that they have a great pasing attack....or the fact that they're flat out the best in college football....so he is already put in an excellant position to succeed. He is doing more than his share, and I realize that...but damn...Reggie Bush isn't the reason USC has gone undefeated...he may be part of it....but Matt Lienart was up for Heisman again too...and regardless of what people might think...I've heard that RB still might not even go number 1....
Imagine the dude laying in the cut saying that LT could not be great, or doesn't have the potential to be great, because he played his college ball in a stank confrence...TCU played Oklahoma and got steam rolled...Nobody was saying LT wasn't the real deal then
Have I ever said that Reggie Bush is going to suck.....or that Reggie Bush doesn't have potential?...No actually I've said the oppisite many times...you just refuse to believe that...and continue to pump out stats and other examples to refute the fact that I think RB is bad....when I dont.
Seriously whats the point of giving me stats of running back's in college.....? How does that refute my statement, regardless of how stupid you think that statement is.
In fact...this argument wouldn't even be going on if you actually read the first time.......Aemeth says he thinks RB will be top 5 of all time...I say how the fuck can you say that when he's not even played an NFL game....the man has the tools but let's wait and see what he does with it....... then I get two people jumping on my back and telling me "Reggie Bush is the complete package!" .... well thank you, I can hear that anytime I turn on the TV....
Since when does me trying to hold back an opinion and wait for further analytical oppurtunity to give my full thoughts on him....turn me into the bad guy?
I think it's stupid to say he's top 5 of all time based on statistics from college. and now I'm horrible? WTF? You guys have dragged this one single point on into 5 replies because you guys aren't reading it right.
You jazz on about the lack of competition in the Pac-10, where were you when he torched Notre Dame (A BCS tean) for 160 yards averaging 10 yards a carry..?
Where were you when Notre Dame (A BCS team) got fucking crushed by Ohio State because they lack the team speed to catch up? Let me give you a little run-down of how thye got scored on.... Ted Guinn 56 yard TD pass...... Ted Guinn 68 yard TD run....Santonio Holmes 85 yard TD pass.....Antonio Pittman 60 yard TD run........ Notre Dame got exposed...the only reason they had such a good record was because they only played I believe 2 teams with a winning record all season....and it sure does help coming out of the Pac10... So before you jazz up ND and how they provide great compeition...watch the bowls...
You need to ask yourself why you feel the need to say petty little shit like that... because unlike everyone else I'm not willing to put my foot in my mouth over stupid predictions about something that is unknown.....and in fact...if RB gets to the NFL and succeds....I won't look stupid...because I've never said he wont do well....I just said that theresn o way of knowing.....telling me thats a stupid thing to say...could have been settled 8 posts ago...you've stretched this out for I dont know why.....I said RB is good and is doing his thing...and I said that He has all the tools to succeed in the NFL....but don't tell me that theres never been anyone who's looked great and then flopped....and now you're just gonna go on and post more stats telling me how RB is good.....when I've stated that a million times now...
::throws up hands and breathes:: I 'm so sick of this pointless thread by now....we both think hes good......you say he'll be amazing in the NFL...I say lets wait and see..
I never knew that'd turn into some huge blown out of porportion argument...
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I guess now would be bad time to step in and say "hook 'em horns!"????? /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
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no...it'd be a perfect time......and thank you for supporting texas.... here's your texas pride button...wear it when you watch the game!
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Dude, I can read threads...And as far as I know, you've already put your foot in your mouth...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)I think this guy isn't as good as people think...
Now, unless I'm a fucking idiot, and can't read plain English on top of that, you are saying that because USC has a great line, and a great team, that RB might not be that good in the league...Or rather, "Lets wait and see..." OK, that's fine and dandy, but damn, what's the point in saying that..? You can't name one single back that has come close to doing what he's done in college that has got in the league and sucked...And please don't go hating on numbers, unless you got another measurement of productivity...
The Offensive line is controlling the point of attack yes, nobody neglects that USC offensive line, ain't a couple of them dudes All Americans..? What that got to do with RB running 50 yards..? They blocking all the way down the field..?
He is fast, has great balance, vision, and size...Now, in plain English, give me one GOOD reason why you don't think he is as good as advertised...You are the only person in the free world doubting RB based on USC being good...It is one thing if you say you don't think RB will be good because he has a tendency to fumble, or he runs high, or something else that makes sense...But none of the things you mention hold any weight whatsoever...All of history completely contradicts it...
You're just overly negative and critical way too often without foundation and nobody wants to read that...I'm a grown man dude, and not used to such light talk...You need to learn to debate with substance, cause without it, your opinion is about as wanted as a kick in the nuts...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)I think this guy isn't as good as people think...
Now, unless I'm a fucking idiot, and can't read plain English on top of that, you are saying that because USC has a great line, and a great team, that RB might not be that good in the league...Or rather, "Lets wait and see..." OK, that's fine and dandy, but damn, what's the point in saying that..? You can't name one single back that has come close to doing what he's done in college that has got in the league and sucked...And please don't go hating on numbers, unless you got another measurement of productivity...
The Offensive line is controlling the point of attack yes, nobody neglects that USC offensive line, ain't a couple of them dudes All Americans..? What that got to do with RB running 50 yards..? They blocking all the way down the field..?
He is fast, has great balance, vision, and size...Now, in plain English, give me one GOOD reason why you don't think he is as good as advertised...You are the only person in the free world doubting RB based on USC being good...It is one thing if you say you don't think RB will be good because he has a tendency to fumble, or he runs high, or something else that makes sense...But none of the things you mention hold any weight whatsoever...All of history completely contradicts it...
You're just overly negative and critical way too often without foundation and nobody wants to read that...I'm a grown man dude, and not used to such light talk...You need to learn to debate with substance, cause without it, your opinion is about as wanted as a kick in the nuts...
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So....tell me why it is that you quote me from something I said over a month ago but wont refute anything I've said since?
How many fucking times do I gotta tell you that I think RB is doing his damn thing and he's playing great......
I mean seriously.....I've said he's good at least 40 times in every post I've had since that first one......but tahts the only one you keep brining up......get off that stupid shit seriously. You find where I make a mistake....and no mattter how many times I tell you that I believe he's extremely talented...you just keep brining up that one time when I said he wasn't as good as I thought......shit in another thread I've already said I take back anything I said bad about him.....its in the Heisman thread if you'd like to go check......but no....you just keep brining up the one single quote thatm akes your point possible........
The Offensive line is controlling the point of attack yes, nobody neglects that USC offensive line, ain't a couple of them dudes All Americans..? What that got to do with RB running 50 yards..? They blocking all the way down the field..?
thats just ignorant as fuck....we'll see how many 50 yard gains RB gets without an offensive line.....they create the running room that allows someone to get 50 yards....the man wouldnt get a positive yard if he had no O-Line....... so you ask what does the O-Line have to do with RB getting 50 yards.......pretty much everything. and no...the recievers are the ones blocking all the awy downfield......but they deserve some credit to.....you know who did it all himself...Barry Sanders....thats why he had so many runs where he lost 5 yards because of no blocking......no matter how great you are...unless you're surrounded by some good talent.....you wont excell.....
How many fucking times do I gotta tell you that I think RB is doing his damn thing and he's playing great......
I mean seriously.....I've said he's good at least 40 times in every post I've had since that first one......but tahts the only one you keep brining up......get off that stupid shit seriously. You find where I make a mistake....and no mattter how many times I tell you that I believe he's extremely talented...you just keep brining up that one time when I said he wasn't as good as I thought......shit in another thread I've already said I take back anything I said bad about him.....its in the Heisman thread if you'd like to go check......but no....you just keep brining up the one single quote thatm akes your point possible........
The Offensive line is controlling the point of attack yes, nobody neglects that USC offensive line, ain't a couple of them dudes All Americans..? What that got to do with RB running 50 yards..? They blocking all the way down the field..?
thats just ignorant as fuck....we'll see how many 50 yard gains RB gets without an offensive line.....they create the running room that allows someone to get 50 yards....the man wouldnt get a positive yard if he had no O-Line....... so you ask what does the O-Line have to do with RB getting 50 yards.......pretty much everything. and no...the recievers are the ones blocking all the awy downfield......but they deserve some credit to.....you know who did it all himself...Barry Sanders....thats why he had so many runs where he lost 5 yards because of no blocking......no matter how great you are...unless you're surrounded by some good talent.....you wont excell.....
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All I know, is that you keep tossing the ignorant word around...And it certainly don't apply here...Pump yo breaks playa, I'm not speed reading threads...Barry Sanders didn't have the greatest of offensive lines, how much you wanna bet he ripped off some long runs..?
You came out and said some hate shit about how dumb Aemeth is for saying RB is gonna be top 5 all time...And throw my name in the shit...
http://www.ayhja.com/af/viewtopic.php?p=101760#101760
I didn't say it, but I didn't refute it either...YOU DID, and gave shit proof of it...In fact, you said some dumb shit right behind it:
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)Bo Jackson FUCKED people up in college....hes no where the top 5 in the NFL....
Obviously ignorant? to the fact that Bo was a fucking beast on the field, he never even played a full season cause of baseball, and is a career 5.4 YPC...Shit, his first year in the league he averaged almost 7 a carry...I bet you have never even seen a game...Unbelieveable...You couldn't have, if you said that...THAT is ignorant...And pointless...
But to make things worse, you come out and say this:
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)I'm saying jsut because he's putting up 500 yards against frenso state says nothing about wether or not he's gonna get fucking rocked against the ravens in a couple of years...
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING PROOF/REASONING/LOGIC behind this..?!!?!?!?!? I can help you out, man, there is none...You have absolutely no credibility to think that...Other than being negative...That's becoming your trademark...And that's not something I think you really want...You said that shit like most backs in college can put up Reggie Bush type numbers...
DUDE THE SHIT HE IS DOING IS UNREAL....I don't give a damn what confrence it is, those fucking hits hurt in any league...Nobody discredited LT's 400 yard game cause he did it in the MAC...That's a TREMENDOUS accomplishment on any level dude, WTF..? Texans players have been being quoted all week talking about how excited they are to get a chance to have RB...These are grown men, professional athletes...And they all say RB is the truth...
Aemeth has more ammo in saying that RB will be top 5 all time based on stats alone, than you do to say anything contrary...Nobody in the history of NCAA football has done what he's done, yet you find a way to shit on it...Doubt, htate, whatever the hell it is you do...
Give one good reason, which I don't think you've done yet, why RB CAN'T be top 5 all time...And please do better than that POS "he's making people miss that will never make it to the NFL" cause that's just silly...It makes no sense...If RB has his first bad game of the season, are you gonna jump up and say, "I told you so..?" He's not completely unstoppable, nobody is, but nobody in the world is going to say, RB only ran for 50 yars in the Rose Bowl, I knew he wasn't that good...
Walter Peyton and Steve McNair both played in the damn SWAC...And they have a lower talent pool than almost any D1 school...Nobody said, "Walter making people miss in the SWAC, not gonna do that in the NFL though..." Nobody said, "Steve Mcnair is running and passing all over the SWAC, but the NFL is different," you know why..? Cause people know talent...Any footbal fan that knows even a little about the game knows this...Terrell Owens went to a smal school where the talent level is not great...And so did damn Jerry Rice, who went to a SWAC school...
That talent level aspect is some of the weakest shit I've ever read...In all reality, those numbers RB has will translate to 1,300 NFL rushing yards and 4.0 to 5.5 YPC...Consistently done over 12 seasons and that top 5 of all time isn't that far off...
Now tell me you don't think the man is capable of those kind of numbers and why...
I am just about convinced now, you're some kind of pessimist or something...
You came out and said some hate shit about how dumb Aemeth is for saying RB is gonna be top 5 all time...And throw my name in the shit...
http://www.ayhja.com/af/viewtopic.php?p=101760#101760
I didn't say it, but I didn't refute it either...YOU DID, and gave shit proof of it...In fact, you said some dumb shit right behind it:
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)Bo Jackson FUCKED people up in college....hes no where the top 5 in the NFL....
Obviously ignorant? to the fact that Bo was a fucking beast on the field, he never even played a full season cause of baseball, and is a career 5.4 YPC...Shit, his first year in the league he averaged almost 7 a carry...I bet you have never even seen a game...Unbelieveable...You couldn't have, if you said that...THAT is ignorant...And pointless...
But to make things worse, you come out and say this:
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)I'm saying jsut because he's putting up 500 yards against frenso state says nothing about wether or not he's gonna get fucking rocked against the ravens in a couple of years...
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING PROOF/REASONING/LOGIC behind this..?!!?!?!?!? I can help you out, man, there is none...You have absolutely no credibility to think that...Other than being negative...That's becoming your trademark...And that's not something I think you really want...You said that shit like most backs in college can put up Reggie Bush type numbers...
DUDE THE SHIT HE IS DOING IS UNREAL....I don't give a damn what confrence it is, those fucking hits hurt in any league...Nobody discredited LT's 400 yard game cause he did it in the MAC...That's a TREMENDOUS accomplishment on any level dude, WTF..? Texans players have been being quoted all week talking about how excited they are to get a chance to have RB...These are grown men, professional athletes...And they all say RB is the truth...
Aemeth has more ammo in saying that RB will be top 5 all time based on stats alone, than you do to say anything contrary...Nobody in the history of NCAA football has done what he's done, yet you find a way to shit on it...Doubt, htate, whatever the hell it is you do...
Give one good reason, which I don't think you've done yet, why RB CAN'T be top 5 all time...And please do better than that POS "he's making people miss that will never make it to the NFL" cause that's just silly...It makes no sense...If RB has his first bad game of the season, are you gonna jump up and say, "I told you so..?" He's not completely unstoppable, nobody is, but nobody in the world is going to say, RB only ran for 50 yars in the Rose Bowl, I knew he wasn't that good...
Walter Peyton and Steve McNair both played in the damn SWAC...And they have a lower talent pool than almost any D1 school...Nobody said, "Walter making people miss in the SWAC, not gonna do that in the NFL though..." Nobody said, "Steve Mcnair is running and passing all over the SWAC, but the NFL is different," you know why..? Cause people know talent...Any footbal fan that knows even a little about the game knows this...Terrell Owens went to a smal school where the talent level is not great...And so did damn Jerry Rice, who went to a SWAC school...
That talent level aspect is some of the weakest shit I've ever read...In all reality, those numbers RB has will translate to 1,300 NFL rushing yards and 4.0 to 5.5 YPC...Consistently done over 12 seasons and that top 5 of all time isn't that far off...
Now tell me you don't think the man is capable of those kind of numbers and why...
I am just about convinced now, you're some kind of pessimist or something...
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So....let me ask you this.... Since you posted YPC of other greats....and tout Reggie Bush's (becasue its higher) as a sheer factor in him being the next Jim Brown in the NFL.....I'm sure you think the same thing of Justin Forsett of Cal...who is rushing for 7.6 yards a carry... or how about Jamaal Charles from Texas who is going at 7.4 yards a carry.....or how aout DeAnglo Willaims who has rushed for 1964 yards... 300 more than RB.......
All I'm saying is......if this guy at 8.9 is sooooooo good..and is obviously the next coming of god on the NFL schene....why isn't DeAnglo Willaims from Memphis......or Justin Forsett of Cal....or even the Texas running back Jamaal Charles....
based on statistics alone....why is RB the only running back being mentioned when he isn't even leading in yards....
what about the fact that Lendale White...his backup.....has more touchdowns than he does?
Is Lendale White top 5 all time? he's running 6.7 YPC.....
the fact of the matter is college statistics are inflated....and just because someone has 40 touchdowns or 8.9 yards per carry does not garentee their success on the next level.
I think Reggie Bush will be drafted first and I think he has all the talen and ability in the world to succeed...I think he's one of the best potential players coming out of college in a long, long time. So whats your beef with me? Becasue I'm not ready to claim this guy as an NFL hall-of-famer before he even steps on the field?
All I'm saying is......if this guy at 8.9 is sooooooo good..and is obviously the next coming of god on the NFL schene....why isn't DeAnglo Willaims from Memphis......or Justin Forsett of Cal....or even the Texas running back Jamaal Charles....
based on statistics alone....why is RB the only running back being mentioned when he isn't even leading in yards....
what about the fact that Lendale White...his backup.....has more touchdowns than he does?
Is Lendale White top 5 all time? he's running 6.7 YPC.....
the fact of the matter is college statistics are inflated....and just because someone has 40 touchdowns or 8.9 yards per carry does not garentee their success on the next level.
I think Reggie Bush will be drafted first and I think he has all the talen and ability in the world to succeed...I think he's one of the best potential players coming out of college in a long, long time. So whats your beef with me? Becasue I'm not ready to claim this guy as an NFL hall-of-famer before he even steps on the field?
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Hmmmm so far Reggie Bush has done nothing but made a HORRIBLE play when he just threw the ball away....good thing Lendale White in playing for USC......them two heismen boys been playing like complete shit... Both of them have a turnover big turnover....and neither has done anything to help their team out....credit goes completely to White and the O- Line
and judging from this game....Vince Young should be the number 1 overall...the man is playing great.
and judging from this game....Vince Young should be the number 1 overall...the man is playing great.
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Right....
Unlike you, I won't drop no hate shit and say otherwise, I've been seen touting Vince Young on these forums as the real deal...But the fact that RB averaged more YPC than Lendale, and added 95 yards recieving...Dude that game could have went either way, and came within Lendale White getting 2 more inches from being a USC victory....You gonna say RB didn't show up to play now..? Damn...Can't say that I wouldn't expect it from you...
As far as your other questions, I think it's pretty clear that you have a miniscule grasp of football and its concepts, at least on a collegiate level...Your comparisons get worse and worse...Neither one of those backs you named has come close to a 400 yard game...Shit, and Jamaal Charles is plaing in the same spread option backfield as Vince Young...For you to be the first one to jump up and talk shit about team help, I'm not even gonna touch that...
Leinart ended up w/a better rating and more yards than VY in the end...VY ended up w/the victory...Like I said, its a game of inches...
In one of his worst games, Reggie Bush = 280 total yards...So, whatever...Reggie will take his Heisman trophy and 2 previous national championships to the NFL and be the #1 pick...
VY and Texas deserve all the props in the world for getting it done..!
Unlike you, I won't drop no hate shit and say otherwise, I've been seen touting Vince Young on these forums as the real deal...But the fact that RB averaged more YPC than Lendale, and added 95 yards recieving...Dude that game could have went either way, and came within Lendale White getting 2 more inches from being a USC victory....You gonna say RB didn't show up to play now..? Damn...Can't say that I wouldn't expect it from you...
As far as your other questions, I think it's pretty clear that you have a miniscule grasp of football and its concepts, at least on a collegiate level...Your comparisons get worse and worse...Neither one of those backs you named has come close to a 400 yard game...Shit, and Jamaal Charles is plaing in the same spread option backfield as Vince Young...For you to be the first one to jump up and talk shit about team help, I'm not even gonna touch that...
Leinart ended up w/a better rating and more yards than VY in the end...VY ended up w/the victory...Like I said, its a game of inches...
In one of his worst games, Reggie Bush = 280 total yards...So, whatever...Reggie will take his Heisman trophy and 2 previous national championships to the NFL and be the #1 pick...
VY and Texas deserve all the props in the world for getting it done..!
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