Wow, I'm shocked that so many of you take such a juvenile, bullying attitude toward this story.
You'd tell the teacher to kiss your ass, to "make" you? Too many students are pussies?
What are you guys, jack-booted Stormtroopers?
What the teacher did was inappropriate, and the kid overreacted, but the crap you clowns are spewing is easily the most embarrassing portion of the story ... seriously.
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Dude...
I went to school in the south, sorry...I wan't exposed to such bullshit behavior...This kid got what he was looking for...I can't feel sorry for him...In context, we just know his side of the story...For a teacher to even have the audacity to do that, he probably has a good relationship with his students...
Tell me what the difference would be if he made him put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner....All this shit does is make kids soft...He should be accountable for his actions man, maybe I have a jaded perspective...Given that we don't know the history of their relationship, I think I can call bullshit...Whether or not it was appropriate...Can't make that call...All I know, if that had been me, I DEFINITELY would not have been running home telling Mommie...It would only have been inappropriate to me, if he had put his hands on me...THEN, we have an issue...
If I put on a fraternity t-shirt...And and I'm not a member of the fraternity and go to one of their parties...Am I not to expect an asswhipping..? Shit, at least a good fight...Damn, WTF..?
I went to school in the south, sorry...I wan't exposed to such bullshit behavior...This kid got what he was looking for...I can't feel sorry for him...In context, we just know his side of the story...For a teacher to even have the audacity to do that, he probably has a good relationship with his students...
Tell me what the difference would be if he made him put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner....All this shit does is make kids soft...He should be accountable for his actions man, maybe I have a jaded perspective...Given that we don't know the history of their relationship, I think I can call bullshit...Whether or not it was appropriate...Can't make that call...All I know, if that had been me, I DEFINITELY would not have been running home telling Mommie...It would only have been inappropriate to me, if he had put his hands on me...THEN, we have an issue...
If I put on a fraternity t-shirt...And and I'm not a member of the fraternity and go to one of their parties...Am I not to expect an asswhipping..? Shit, at least a good fight...Damn, WTF..?
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the notion that learning is not a difficult and visceral experience is a delusion of the modern world.
ask the bird who don't flap his wings. maybe that makes me a "barbaric" person, but i will tell you:
I have never made to be under any pretenses that Nature, human or otherwise, is nice. I may wish it were otherwise,.. and wish no one ever had a bad attitude, or a hang nail,.. but knowing Nature is not nice is part of maturity. Hang nails happen.
but I accept it as it has been show to me. I was raised in a WORLD where there were no less than five centuries of kids who had the sturdiness to learn their lessons while they were subjected to FAR more than a little paper throwing and name calling. And if what the teacher did was inappropriate, I have some lawsuits waiting for me, after what you get down south.
If this kid is soft, soft things usually get squished in reality. Sometimes, its a sign they are spoiled... Yeah, If I was the kid, I would have laughed it off, if I for some reason forgot and decided to wear the favorite jersey of my favorite player, who JUST HAPPENS to be on the team that is the last obstacle to the home team's Superbowl chances... and prayed to god I didn't get shot on the block that close to Pittsburgh wearing BRONCOS jersey the weekend before THE BIG GAME. Then again, I did live in East Oakland, for a decade, and grew up in the buckle of the bible belt. Again, your mileage may vary... but that was a stupid move that most people would have been able to guess wasn't a good idea. So, my only conclusion is the kid is the kinda person who thinks whining gives you the right to do whatever you want, or he needed proof of natural selection.
Personally, I think sports bickering is ridiculous, and doesn't belong in school. But I know enough not to bear the banner of the *enemy*... even if I admire his accomplishments. This kid had 364 other days to show his love for Elway, and he chose the friday before the FACE OFF?
Bullshit flag on the play, fifteen yd penalty - Moron. Learn and grow, young man.
ask the bird who don't flap his wings. maybe that makes me a "barbaric" person, but i will tell you:
I have never made to be under any pretenses that Nature, human or otherwise, is nice. I may wish it were otherwise,.. and wish no one ever had a bad attitude, or a hang nail,.. but knowing Nature is not nice is part of maturity. Hang nails happen.
but I accept it as it has been show to me. I was raised in a WORLD where there were no less than five centuries of kids who had the sturdiness to learn their lessons while they were subjected to FAR more than a little paper throwing and name calling. And if what the teacher did was inappropriate, I have some lawsuits waiting for me, after what you get down south.
If this kid is soft, soft things usually get squished in reality. Sometimes, its a sign they are spoiled... Yeah, If I was the kid, I would have laughed it off, if I for some reason forgot and decided to wear the favorite jersey of my favorite player, who JUST HAPPENS to be on the team that is the last obstacle to the home team's Superbowl chances... and prayed to god I didn't get shot on the block that close to Pittsburgh wearing BRONCOS jersey the weekend before THE BIG GAME. Then again, I did live in East Oakland, for a decade, and grew up in the buckle of the bible belt. Again, your mileage may vary... but that was a stupid move that most people would have been able to guess wasn't a good idea. So, my only conclusion is the kid is the kinda person who thinks whining gives you the right to do whatever you want, or he needed proof of natural selection.
Personally, I think sports bickering is ridiculous, and doesn't belong in school. But I know enough not to bear the banner of the *enemy*... even if I admire his accomplishments. This kid had 364 other days to show his love for Elway, and he chose the friday before the FACE OFF?
Bullshit flag on the play, fifteen yd penalty - Moron. Learn and grow, young man.
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Can you hold back on the Mr. Tough guy school of hard knocks bullshit for a moment? I don't give a shit if you went to PS186; it makes no difference. Don't act as if this thing was some playground battle between peer groups. It wasn't, and the fact that "no one laid a hand" on the kid makes no difference either. And whether this instructor is Terry Bradshaw's nephew makes doesn't freakin' enter into it. Fan or no fan, he/she has a job to do.
Like it or not, "cool" or not, this teacher at some point represents the institution, the public authority, and at some level the Constitution. It's not an even playing field. If he/she doesn't get that, he/she is in the wrong profession.
Geek, dweeb or wimp, the kid have every right to wear his Broncos jersey, even if he did out of spite, and the representative of authority had no business infringing on those rights. If his jerk-off schoolmates decide to beat the crap out him to satisfy their own redneck "he deserved it" brand of justice, fine. I don't support such action, but it is at least understandable. The kid is entitled to his opinion, and to express that opinion within the school's dress code. Stupid or not, it was his right, and the teach was an idiot for becoming involved in it.
The frat shirt correllation is meaningless, because again, we're not talking about peer groups. It's a BIG difference.
Like it or not, "cool" or not, this teacher at some point represents the institution, the public authority, and at some level the Constitution. It's not an even playing field. If he/she doesn't get that, he/she is in the wrong profession.
Geek, dweeb or wimp, the kid have every right to wear his Broncos jersey, even if he did out of spite, and the representative of authority had no business infringing on those rights. If his jerk-off schoolmates decide to beat the crap out him to satisfy their own redneck "he deserved it" brand of justice, fine. I don't support such action, but it is at least understandable. The kid is entitled to his opinion, and to express that opinion within the school's dress code. Stupid or not, it was his right, and the teach was an idiot for becoming involved in it.
The frat shirt correllation is meaningless, because again, we're not talking about peer groups. It's a BIG difference.
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Whoa whoa whoa... what the fuck is the difference between the teacher throwing paper at him with the students and the students beating him up during recess? :?
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QUOTEwhat the fuck is the difference between the teacher throwing paper at him with the students and the students beating him up during recess?
You're kidding, right?
The difference is degree of authority and responsibility. Do you not see that the teacher has a different level of both?
Oh well, never mind. I guess I know to stay away from Heinz Field, and perhaps Pennsylvania generally.
You're kidding, right?
The difference is degree of authority and responsibility. Do you not see that the teacher has a different level of both?
Oh well, never mind. I guess I know to stay away from Heinz Field, and perhaps Pennsylvania generally.
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Here's my input.....just looking at the dude he looks a little insecure.....you can only pick on the class clowns who you know can take it.....the only thing I'll defend of him is that semester exams are pretty stressful to most people....and its 25% of our grade in this sytem.....the kid shouldn't be held accountable for 25% of his grade based on him having to test on the floor with paper being thrown at him....thats not fair to his grade.
and as far as I can tell from the article...he's not crying foul against the teacher....he just doesn't want to be enrolled in his class any longer...... which is completely understandable...
and that bullshit about Elway is exactly that....bullshit... no one is wearing a panthers jersey before game day in my school without expecting to get ridiculed for it....esp with that hairdo and wearing an extra small lol....
I would have no problem with the story if it didnt happen on a testing day that was important to his grade....and if he was actually being a baby about it...he said he was furious...not sad.... and if you aren't the outspoken, joking type....its understandable...
So I guess I'm middle of the road here... If you do that to my kid...we got problems....but I'm making sure he aint wearing a Bronco's jersey before gameday if he can't handle the shit that comes with it...
and as far as I can tell from the article...he's not crying foul against the teacher....he just doesn't want to be enrolled in his class any longer...... which is completely understandable...
and that bullshit about Elway is exactly that....bullshit... no one is wearing a panthers jersey before game day in my school without expecting to get ridiculed for it....esp with that hairdo and wearing an extra small lol....
I would have no problem with the story if it didnt happen on a testing day that was important to his grade....and if he was actually being a baby about it...he said he was furious...not sad.... and if you aren't the outspoken, joking type....its understandable...
So I guess I'm middle of the road here... If you do that to my kid...we got problems....but I'm making sure he aint wearing a Bronco's jersey before gameday if he can't handle the shit that comes with it...
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*ahem*,.. the BASIS of facilitated educational theory...
The current and recurring basis of educational psychology is "Connectionism" - instituted by Psychologist Edward Thorndike.
Connectionism represents the stimulant - response framework of fundamental behavioral psychology:
Learning is the result of associations forming between stimuli and responses.
Such associations or "habits" become strengthened or weakened by the nature and frequency of the pairings of a given stimulant to a specific response. The paradigm for the development of this theory was trial and error learning in which certain responses were rewarded, and thus were "learned" beheavior. The hallmark of connectionism (like all behavioral theory) was that learning could be sufficiently conveyed without referring or relying to any unobservable internal states such as "feelings", "instincts", or even "emotions", "fears", or "desires."
Thorndike's theory consists of three primary laws:
a. Law of effect - responses to a situation which are followed by a rewarding state of affairs will be strengthened and become habitual responses to that situation.
b. Law of readiness - a series of responses can be chained together to satisfy some goal which will result in annoyance if blocked.
c. Law of exercise - connections become strengthened with practice and weakened when practice is discontinued. A corollary of the law of effect was that responses that reduce the likelihood of achieving a rewarding state (i.e., punishments, failures) will decrease in strength.
Connectionism suggests that learning propery relies upon the presence of reoccuring and indistinguishable elements in the original and new learning situations; i.e., transfer is always specific, never general. Thus the overcoming of a personal response to a situation is to break a habitual nature, and allow true learning, as a process, to begin.
The theory evolved to include, a few other concepts
a. belongingness - which was introduced as a means of perceptive forcasting or anticipation of a specfic response. These are commonly referred to as the Gestalt principles, and are crucial to Child development, especially. Belongingness is essentially, a socially-motivated component of "beingness," as postited in the Philosophical works of Heidegger.
b. variation - Another concept also known and introduced as "polarity" Variation specifies that connections occur more easily in the direction in which they were originally formed than the opposite. Polarity is still used to refer to a binary variation.
c. Spread of effect - Thorndike also introduced the "spread of effect" idea, i.e., rewards affect not only the connection that produced them but temporally adjacent connections as well. This is largely dealt with in a Jungian Archetypal model.
There you have it, the definitive model for faculty association with students. Their job description is social conditioning, and skill training in crucial knowledge bases... not constitutional representation or gettin students in touch with their emotions.
I'd say that dude got schooled pretty good, at what he can expect if he tries to be antipathetic to his social environment.
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Connectionism represents the stimulant - response framework of fundamental behavioral psychology:
Learning is the result of associations forming between stimuli and responses.
Such associations or "habits" become strengthened or weakened by the nature and frequency of the pairings of a given stimulant to a specific response. The paradigm for the development of this theory was trial and error learning in which certain responses were rewarded, and thus were "learned" beheavior. The hallmark of connectionism (like all behavioral theory) was that learning could be sufficiently conveyed without referring or relying to any unobservable internal states such as "feelings", "instincts", or even "emotions", "fears", or "desires."
Thorndike's theory consists of three primary laws:
a. Law of effect - responses to a situation which are followed by a rewarding state of affairs will be strengthened and become habitual responses to that situation.
b. Law of readiness - a series of responses can be chained together to satisfy some goal which will result in annoyance if blocked.
c. Law of exercise - connections become strengthened with practice and weakened when practice is discontinued. A corollary of the law of effect was that responses that reduce the likelihood of achieving a rewarding state (i.e., punishments, failures) will decrease in strength.
Connectionism suggests that learning propery relies upon the presence of reoccuring and indistinguishable elements in the original and new learning situations; i.e., transfer is always specific, never general. Thus the overcoming of a personal response to a situation is to break a habitual nature, and allow true learning, as a process, to begin.
The theory evolved to include, a few other concepts
a. belongingness - which was introduced as a means of perceptive forcasting or anticipation of a specfic response. These are commonly referred to as the Gestalt principles, and are crucial to Child development, especially. Belongingness is essentially, a socially-motivated component of "beingness," as postited in the Philosophical works of Heidegger.
b. variation - Another concept also known and introduced as "polarity" Variation specifies that connections occur more easily in the direction in which they were originally formed than the opposite. Polarity is still used to refer to a binary variation.
c. Spread of effect - Thorndike also introduced the "spread of effect" idea, i.e., rewards affect not only the connection that produced them but temporally adjacent connections as well. This is largely dealt with in a Jungian Archetypal model.
There you have it, the definitive model for faculty association with students. Their job description is social conditioning, and skill training in crucial knowledge bases... not constitutional representation or gettin students in touch with their emotions.
I'd say that dude got schooled pretty good, at what he can expect if he tries to be antipathetic to his social environment.
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QUOTE(ike90)The frat shirt correllation is meaningless, because again, we're not talking about peer groups. It's a BIG difference.
See, I knew you'd find your niche in the forum... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
But is the validation of a peer group the only way you can go about this..? Spoiled ass kid running around thinking he can get away with spiteful behavior..? Is that something an educator can't address through alternative means..? Guess he should just let that slide, huh..?
The kid was embarrased and his own little plan backfired on his ass...Rather than learn a lesson from it, he goes to make a mockery of it, and regardless of the bigger picture (this kid wouldn't suffer any damage practically) this teacher, regardless of previous conduct and student repor, could have his whole life changed...
Neglect any assumptions, and go with what we know about the story...And if you tell me that you think that's a fair trade off, even if it was a mistake and the teacher was completely out of line...I will rest my case...He has made this teacher out to be some kinda damn bully, when I bet it didn't even go down like that...This guys whole career is in jeopardy, cause a little joke backfired on a student and cried about the shit...
Be for real man...No educator making that shitty of a salary trying to have some fun in the class should potentially be out of a damn job...C'mon now...
See, I knew you'd find your niche in the forum... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
But is the validation of a peer group the only way you can go about this..? Spoiled ass kid running around thinking he can get away with spiteful behavior..? Is that something an educator can't address through alternative means..? Guess he should just let that slide, huh..?
The kid was embarrased and his own little plan backfired on his ass...Rather than learn a lesson from it, he goes to make a mockery of it, and regardless of the bigger picture (this kid wouldn't suffer any damage practically) this teacher, regardless of previous conduct and student repor, could have his whole life changed...
Neglect any assumptions, and go with what we know about the story...And if you tell me that you think that's a fair trade off, even if it was a mistake and the teacher was completely out of line...I will rest my case...He has made this teacher out to be some kinda damn bully, when I bet it didn't even go down like that...This guys whole career is in jeopardy, cause a little joke backfired on a student and cried about the shit...
Be for real man...No educator making that shitty of a salary trying to have some fun in the class should potentially be out of a damn job...C'mon now...
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QUOTE(ike90)The difference is degree of authority and responsibility. Do you not see that the teacher has a different level of both?
I just don't understand how you can justify students beating someone up, but you think this joke is way out of line because the teacher has a "degree of authority and responsibility."
I remember one time in my design class we pulled a prank on a kid. He always fell asleep during class, so one day the teacher decided to be an ass. He told all of us to wait out in the hall. He turned the clock ahead, shut the lights off and then woke the kid up and told him school had headed. The kid couldn't believe it. He threw his shit in his bag and ran out of the class to find us laughing in the hall. lmao
In my opinion, this kid needs to grow a set. I had an art teacher flat out insult my work and tell me I was stealing grades from him. Sure, I bitched, but I didn't make a big issue about like this kid.
I just don't understand how you can justify students beating someone up, but you think this joke is way out of line because the teacher has a "degree of authority and responsibility."
I remember one time in my design class we pulled a prank on a kid. He always fell asleep during class, so one day the teacher decided to be an ass. He told all of us to wait out in the hall. He turned the clock ahead, shut the lights off and then woke the kid up and told him school had headed. The kid couldn't believe it. He threw his shit in his bag and ran out of the class to find us laughing in the hall. lmao
In my opinion, this kid needs to grow a set. I had an art teacher flat out insult my work and tell me I was stealing grades from him. Sure, I bitched, but I didn't make a big issue about like this kid.
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