Internet Explorer...Why..?

[raum]

QUOTEI even know COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS and Network/Database managers who use IE! fucken crazy!!!!

Well, as a point, many of the online applications I use to work and keep the lights on don't work in IE, and while you may think FF is a resource hog, try transferring 32+ 1.7 gig excel files through a ODBC into a oracle based federal database using FF. It crashes, burns, is reduced to ashes, and is scattered by the wind. and I do this several times a month. Part of this is because the native code for the IE browser gets loaded when you boot the system. Firefox is not an integrated browser, has no standards outside of its developers whims, and thus requires participation to achieve a product that meets your needs. Would you want to have to work on all the farms that your groceries are grown on?

I actually got a completely professional Magus who is the lifesblood of the energy market informational structure who uses firefox personally to load and configure it, and then THEY CHANGED IT AGAIN and all that work became useless.

IE is built into the functionality of everything I do because it is an inherit system element for MS application suite that drives my income and my professional growth exponentionally.

The delay with the toolbar is annoying and shoddy, and the digital signatures used by gov sites interfere with functionality.

The delay to load is aggravating, and causes me to wonder "it this POS going to work this time?"

Buying online is murky dismal at best, and my experience with that almost put me off buying ANYTHING online.

I print online, and do some web development. Just seeing if FF works properly is why I have it.

There is no quality control or standard for extension. The grass-roots level of knowledge required is cultish.

This is a browser for developers, not users. Many times, I am just a "user" and FF is just painfully high manitenance.

Many of the sites i find useful or entertaining are made by people who have more important things to do than learn new code for browsers that will change before they learn them, and have to include contingencies for extensions they may not even know about.

Mainly, if IE is broken, we know who to blame... If Firefox is to blame, it will come to rest on the user, who is not a developer.


not to mention our intranet basis is unable to render in FF, the lack of PDA supports, the lacklustre performance for tablet pc's (which i use, remember?),..

NOW, the strategy is far bigger than the issues I have with the technical compliance...

IF I demanded that the gov make it where I could do my work in FF, it would cost them TENS OF MILLIONS to assure completel compatibility. The only way they can afford this is by penalizing the market participants. This would make the Office of Market Offset Investigations (the "Enron" police) have to attack companies for failing their own technical and Sarbanes-Oxley compliance. This means if they make the switch, we HAVE to make the switch, which our risk analysis system doesn't support - and thus they heavily fine us to be able to afford to make their switch, which would ultimately cost me my job, and be a ventue costing about 27 million dollars of gov funding (just for the FERC) which they would take from the energy companies, who would have to gouge the average consumer to be able to afford to keep certain plants open. All in all, after 27 million dollars in fines, it would take us about 62 million dollars to make the change so I could do my work (except i would not be here, and might get car bombed by commercial operations) - and we could stand to lose our ability to set Market based rates, which is how we make affordable energy prices lucrative enough to keep in business.

This means many companies would go bust, and the gov would have to maintain the energy grid itself, and we would spend at least ANOTHER 287+ Billion dollars a year to do so.

So, let me ask you, does FireFox make sense for me, you or America? It might make sense for you, IF it works for you.

This is why the "BEST" is not always the BEST SOLUTION, and can be far more costly than just personal convenience; and the reason CHANGE needs to be gradual and timely.

vertical,
raum

[emanon]

the main culprit in firefox problems are the extensions you might have installed and not firefox itself. If you want to troubleshoot, either make a new profile like ayhja suggests or disable all your extensions and then re-enable them one at a time until the problem comes back and then un-install the most recently re-enabled one.

@raum:
so if you tried to switch to firefox it sounds like gasoline would be 10$ per gallon and the government would be replaced with total anarchy.

I think it would be ok if you keep using IE for a bit longer

[raum]

even if i bothered to migrate from ie, it would still be a more stable and integrated browser, like opera.

[AYHJA]

http://ietab.mozdev.org/

"....And I'm ghost like Swayze..."

[raum]

I have had at least five people show me this. Here's from their site.

Known Issues:

IE ActiveX's enable/disable setting NOT work (ok, so we can't report exports to canada and become pirates)
Script Error problem
Password Manager NOT work (so basically, this is obsolete with SSO technology, which is mandated by EIA)Shift+Delete(Cut) NOT work
Button has no XP Style (theme)
All popup windows always open in new IE Tab (pop-ups are the who basis of the SSO database systems)
Navigate history list NOT support (inconvenient, when you have to monitor 80+ websites for regulatory responses)
SSL icon NOT support
Site's favicon NOT support

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and better yet, if something goes wrong I have to learn tai to ask them to fix it, and have no guarantee it will work, and they have no obligation to make sure it does!!!
Compared to my MSCE team of internal tech support who can use direct MS contacts to resolve it before my deadline.

Firefox is NOT professional in my profession, and is NOT industry standard for my industry. I don't like it, besides - IE is inherit, and stable enough for my purposes, which do not involve ripping full pic pages, movie sites, and such. FF fits your needs, NOT MINE. In my perspective, therefore, your browser is inferior to IE for MY NEEDS. It is an informed decision, not a ignorant one, and many other Programmers and DB architects feel the same. Code a vba application in excel to work in firefox, and tell me how great it is. render a chart conversion of multiple workbooks into a single browser based file to do frog sql queries to update a power point presentation in FIREFOX??? ARE YOU MAD!>!?!

Can you fathom having the responsibilty a three day deadline that is fined 2.47 MILLION dollars for every day it is late relying on a open-source community development project? I guess I just go to legal and say "sorry the Open source FREE NON-SUPPORTED BROWSER won't load the data, so we have to cut 32 three million dollar checks because the multi-million doller internal tech team doesn't know Taiwanese and we don't know who these guys are, and none of the free forums and message boards are replying to our questions?"

now, from a macromedia perspective, should I continue?

[bobpike]

You go, girlfirend...! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

[raum]

I have been attacked on every front it seems, and I am going crazy trying to defend my simple right to be a progressive conservative, who opposes Liberalism and the Democratic agenda. and i snuck in here, and am the largest voice for IE on this site, so I took it a bit personally. and I PAINED myself to describe exactly how INEFFECTIVE FireFox is, and Ty dropped that link to instigate, cause he loves to see me fume.

and i had a bit of a tirade.

[bobpike]

QUOTE(raum)I have been attacked on every front it seems, and I am going crazy trying to defend my simple right to be a progressive conservative, who opposes Liberalism and the Democratic agenda.  and i snuck in here, and am the largest voice for IE on this site, so I took it a bit personally.  and I PAINED myself to describe exactly how INEFFECTIVE FireFox is, and Ty dropped that link to instigate, cause he loves to see me fume.

and i had a bit of a tirade.

I use IE exclusively. It's integrated with the OS; I know it works with the OS; I don't have the time or the inclination to manage yet another application on the box; it's there already, part of the deal; it's what 99% of the world is using.

If I develop an app that works with IE, it works for 99% of the people. If I develop an app that works with Firefox and it's a killer monster app that runs 100 miles per hour because Firefox is SO COOL, but it sticks the finger up when run on IE, then I'm fucked.

With you.

[raum]

see, and I was wondering who my new translator was going to be now that Fapper is gone...

thanks,
Ch

[bobpike]

I'm sure that is funny and a compliment too, so I'll just sheepishly say "thanks".

-Bp.

P.s. Actually I have seen the name Fapper about the place. Is he gone? Whither? Wherefor?