The Gospel Of Judas

#21

QUOTE(Aemeth)It would be some shit if it was true tho, eh?

Raum, what are your thoughts on Judas being the closest to Jesus as opposed to the one who *betrayed* him?

If I told you the oldest stories of Calmus and Origen, it is written that he who is only remembered as Judah (along with Joseph of Aramathea) was giving Jesus to the Roman to be held SECURELY, because others had plotted to serve him death for the heresies he began to espouse about the holiness of the Jews being not limited to the twelve tribes of Israel. The reason is simple, many others wished for their campaign to join the resistance forces which armed themselves against Roman occupation. is that true? well, its older than the rewrite of the Gospels,.. but is it true.

there must have been some truth, because the opposition to Origen took up the thought "that jesus was betrayed of judah because he failed to overthrow Rome."

simple,.. even in the perversion of translation of the gospels in the modern bible still rings true:

One of his disciples was awake when all the others slept.
One kissed him in fraternity before he was led away.
One called him Master.
One of his disciples was dead and in sheol when jeshua conquers hell and death.

others say,

Judah did not know he was delivering him to death. Death was not the punishment for the crime Jeshua would be tried for. It's why Jeshua said "when they come for me, they will kill me." and his disciples disbelieved constantly, and he did not reveal this until late in the gospels,.. long after Judah was gone.

but just as easily... one could develop lots of other scenarios... and all of them are equally speculative.

#22

QUOTE(Aemeth)And the selection of the gospels raises many issues with conservative Christians who believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

No, I think it is a book with more truth in it than any other, but when you block out your mind and say that "whatever the Bible says is true,
and anything not in the Bible is probably false" you miss a lot of beautiful things. I'm not saying don't read the Bible, I'm saying that thinking and
reasoning should come first. Remember that those who wrote the Bible were human too, and though many were very righteous, holy men, they
were not perfect. This is why their words should be respected, meditated on, and usually followed...but only if you are following because you
agree and understand what your doing, not because it's *in the Bible*.

Sometimes, not always, but it seems that ppl use the Bible as *the standard* because it makes morality easy. Morality is FAR from easy, because in order to
be perfectly moral, you must think as God thinks....which isn't exactly an easy task..

(sorry for the digression)

Don't be sorry, that's good you said that.

People are lazy, they don't want to think, so they just "go by the book".

#23

Ahh yes... we look for a "king of kings" (decendant of David) to restore a kingdom on earth while failing to recognize a king from the kingdoms of earth restoring our kingdom in heaven... for he is king of Heaven and Earth.

By the way, regarding the bible... could it be that the mormon's have it right?
I believe their 8th article of faith states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly..." I believe Smith taught doctrines that were considered heretical by mainstream Christians, especially regarding the Godhead, an apostasy in which much of the pure doctrine of Christianity was lost along with the authority to perform ordinances (such as baptism), and that many "plain and precious truths" were missing from the Bible.

Of course, he wasn't the only one to recognize this...

...sits back and waits for the flaming to begin....

#24

the farthest i would go is saying "I believe the oral teachings and writings, original and redacted, chosen, compiled and translated were done so out some divine providence that the ineffable truth will be made to they who seek it, in a manner they may have the capacity to comprehend its verity, independent of context or historical accuracy."

#25

I appreciate you saying that raum....As for the mormons having some extra truth to there belief that was some how lost to the rest of us........do tell.As long as you got a clear path to god you dont need any more bells and whistles.

#26

#27

QUOTE(highlife)I appreciate you saying that raum....As for the mormons having some extra truth to there belief that was some how lost to the rest of us........do tell.As long as you got a clear path to god you dont need any more bells and whistles.

Or Magic Mormon Underwear..................... :shock: :?