Religion

#11

QUOTE....If this jewish man believed washing his food was nessasary to his beliefs wouldnt he be abandoning those beliefs by not following them.

No, because that was an edict by the Priests, not God. Thanks for proving people who have no context rarely understand the issue at hand. Jeshua violated laws of the Levite Priesthood, as though they were simply human limitations. He never, according to the Bible, offended the law of Moses.

QUOTE....Before he entered into this situation he must have come to the conclution that washing the food was not nessasary to the spiret or intent of jewish law. The tolerance he was practicing was a tolerance for a slight change in his own beliefs laws.Jews had differant vesions of there beliefs back than that were more or less demanding in there laws.Some took it soo far as to strain the water they drank so they wouldnt drink a nat.

It was hardly tolerance that led him to scourge the money lenders in the temple. He was not a sedated man, walking around in a daze. The changes he made were HARDLY slight. He completely disregarded the Levite Priesthood's workings, and I suspect it was because he was aware of the fact that Dueteronomy is not a book of Moses, and most of Leviticus is written far after it was penned by the Cohennim. He fought the highjacking of the Jewish Religion after the redaction of the Tanakh following the release of the Jews from slavery to Babylon.. He continued this, until he saw the futility, and established his own adherence to the Esseniac path of his cousin Yowchannan Tabal, known in Greek as Iaonnes Baptistes, called, John the Baptist. This is why the Patriarchs of the Jews appear to him, because he returned to the way it as before all the imposed arbitrary elements of control established by the "new priesthood" after the release from Babylon.

QUOTE.....Was the entire field of corn conciderd sacred?.Usually only when crops or animals choosen for sacrifice are given to the preist and used in a ceremony do they become sacred.You say he pulled it from the stalk meaning it hadnt been used in such a way..

Yes, the entire field was considered sacred, as it was a "miraculous" condensation of sunlight. and specifically an ear of corn was his sacred image. Furthermore, he was the inventor of the "plowshare," which figures highly in Iesu's words in the new testament. Dagan is coeval with El, the most ancient of Semetic deities, and the word for God in ancient Hebrew, emulated in the names of his Angels. This is largely because The corn was seen as direct solid sunlight, i.e. the condensation of the live giving rays of the sun. Inescapably similar to Toltec culture, and the tuatha di dannon (Irish, before the celts), as well as the sith atha' alba (Scottish, before the Gauls). Dagon was the father of Baal, who was given by his father the role of Fertility God.

Corn was the offering of god to man, who in turn offered his own sacrifice to the God. During the time of Jeshua, Dagon was at the pinnacle of the pantheon worshipped by the Phillistines.

QUOTE......Your saying he was a messiah who brought about change..isnt that the exact opposite of tolerating some one elses beliefs.

No, I don't use the word messiah. Messiah is a bastardization of Messhiach... Messhiac is a state that means "one bears the divine providence of israel, through annointing with the holy oil." In all the bible, it only is translated as a specific person twice. in Daniel chapter 9 vs. 25-26. The book of Daniel was written *supposedly* while the Jews were in Babylonian captivity. Incidentally, the word "savior" never appears in all the bible. The idea there is only one Messhiach is heretical to God, all of God's annointed, from Moses, to Eliab, to Esras, to David, to Solomon, to Cyrus, even unto his Rabbin, are they all Messhiac. and for the record, I am, as well, annointed, as are others today. Thus, I have achieved Messhiac, which is the birthright of all, but i make no claim to be worthy or deirable the role of Christ, which Christians reserve for Jesus.

I also make no claim to the title Rabbin, for there is yet one who is my Kathagetes; which does NOT mean Master.

If anything understood by modern man, it carries the sentiment of the page required that makes the words of my own self more than just a puddle of formless ink. The pen that directs the ink to the page of the Agape (Love), the hand that holds the pen is the Agathodaimon ("Holy Spirit"), the idea that makes that hand write those words is the Theleme (Will of God) and the person to whom that hand belongs, is the MASTER.

QUOTE......If a preist were invited by a friend to join a religios ritual that that involed sum rum and a good cigar and he excepted... who would be showing tolerance ?.The preist would not be abandoning his beliefs.Hes just there to have a drink and enjoy the company.To him the cigar is a cigar and rum is just rum.and what ever chants they chant are just words. The group holding this ceremony are the ones showing toerance by alowing some one who doesnt share there beliefs to be among them during this ritual.

Actually, being from Louisiana, I am happy to report the majority of priests will NOT just consider it rum and cigar, they KNOW it is more, and that, if nothing else, makes it more. They also tend to understand that this is the hybrid of Afro-carribean ancestor worship and French Imposed Catholicism.

Contrary, in this case, the group that allows him to attend are working with a system in which they have the power to allow others to attend, and thus this is a function of their ritual, which is typically very tolerant, if (often with good reason)suspicious.

For the record, my policy is not to hate Christians, nor to simply apply my skepticism to their records alone. I have no less than five different copies of the Tao te ching in the "original chinese" (before the mandate), and they differ in many ways. I bring up Christianity more often because, here, it is more easily understood. If I speak of how "tao ko tao, tao fei tao" is inaccurately translated, it just confuses most people. I am not picking on Christians. I think many elements of Christianity are VERY beautiful and part of the natural evolution of human understanding of the infinite. I feel, that because of the tone of some of your (very welcome!) comments and questions, I need to establish that I am not approching this as an enemy to Christianity. Rather, I critically analyze ALL faiths, and seek to establish a genuine context for the stages of human approaches to the inifinite that pervades space, time, and even the limits of my own capacity. It is through this effort, I have found the greatest case for a direct translation of idea and sentiment, rather than word. This is easily established for me, and I have done so for better of 20 years. I am not "dumbing down" my words for people to understand, for they lose the inherent eloquence of their context, and may, by context of the reader, reflect something other than what I am trying to express, which is my VIEW.

#12

I believe most people claim to have a relegion just because they are supposed to. Like tradition. It is not questioned or interpreted by individuals. Just blindly followed. Only a few actually think about it and try to understand it.

#13

QUOTE(bd55)I believe most people claim to have a relegion just because they are supposed to. Like tradition. It is not questioned or interpreted by individuals. Just blindly followed. Only a few actually think about it andEdit - fewer still - /EditQUOTEtry to understand it.

#14

It is the same reason that there are "Feel good" churches and "Bible following"churches. People want to think they are religious so they can justify the things they do wrong. It is really simple.

Catholics believe that they can do wrong 6 days, then confess on the 7th day, and all is forgiven and they are on their way back to what they were doing.

Christians have 2 theories. 1) If you give every nickle you have to the chruch, then you are doing Gods word. 2) As long as I am in church on sunday morning, I will go to heaven.

Islam believes their god wants them to destroy everyone who is not with them.

Jews believe that Jesus was not the one, and we are still waiting.

That is why I have decided to start my own religion. Jamesism. I will give you a discount on Tithing... 5% of your monthly gross income. Also, you can e-mail me in your prayer request and I promise to talk to God for you that very night. And, as my final promise to you, I will send a portion of the proceeds to help feed the children around the world.

Proceed amount not guaranteed, actual amounts may very.

#15

Why the hell do you come in and ruin threads like that?

#16

It's my gift. I'll go back to the sports thread now.

#17

1-I see Allah(God)!!!
If y'v eyes,so its very simple,dont think about other mean n definitions!!
Look at the World,nature,space,humans .....
Yes very easy to see God

2-Believe/Religious is a part of a human nature behaviour(ofcourse some of peoples!!)

3-Death;is not a part of afraid,so do not afraid,because its a part of our "Life"!!
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So pray it at evey time to God...
Rgds