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It's a myth?! propagated by Sony?!?
Yes Brains, it's a myth. Sony has been working on some of its own next gen offerings they have for much longer than Microsoft. If the console had been released at the initial start date, the games would not have had a year to stew in "somewhat" better graphics. They can't just come in and say "this game we made right now is only our first gen", because many of their offerings now look far better than when they were originally showing. So this is what they are doing while they fail to deliver their console, improve their launch titles when to be honest . And then, there is the whole notion that the third parties were working on both at the same time. Regardless, every title here was ready to go in January, and they've just spent another 10 months amping the games for what looks to be a launch that is disappointing alot of people; that will only make their product available to .075% of the US population.
Still, to be fair 20 launch titles is more exciting than the 18 that the 360 had, but not many people were ready to go forward with next gen gaming. But next gen gaming is now a year old, and there is talk that many companies got a "deal" from sony to wait until they hit the shelves.
I personally would put it past Sony to be having such a small number of sonsoles for launch for two reasons:
1. easy to "sell out" of a costly console that has many functions (most of which are already present in the modern home).
2. create artificial demand for a real launch, so they can enforce the you have to buy two games with the console rule.
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QUOTE(raum @ Oct 23 2006, 02:40 PM) Yes Brains, it's a myth. Sony has been working on some of its own next gen offerings they have for much longer than Microsoft.
duh. smart sony then. stoopid microsoft huh?! really. can you blame them for trying to max out development time with a processor that is absolutely and totally untried and untested before STI developed it?
QUOTEIf the console had been released at the initial start date, the games would not have had a year to stew in "somewhat" better graphics. They can't just come in and say "this game we made right now is only our first gen", because many of their offerings now look far better than when they were originally showing.
what is your point raum... it is really quite obvious they (first and third party) indeed do not sit still in between. do you think they should've?! just to play fair maybe? like ms always does?!
really I am not getting you. many of their offerings indeed look far better than their first screens - much like MS with initial 360 screens maybe?
what I find utterly amazing is that e.g. motorstorm is looking nearly as good as its prerendered videos from E3 2005 (!!) when everybody was bully-ing Sony for promising image quality they could never ever deliver. hell I even thought so: "here we go again. emotion-engine like marketing blah-blah all over again." It seems that this time they indeed were for real!
QUOTESo this is what they are doing while they fail to deliver their console, improve their launch titles when to be honest . And then, there is the whole notion that the third parties were working on both at the same time. Regardless, every title here was ready to go in January, and they've just spent another 10 months amping the games for what looks to be a launch that is disappointing alot of people; that will only make their product available to .075% of the US population.
again. nothing more than normal huh?!
hardware delays maybe translate into software advantages hmm?!
and "january"?! 10 months?!? where's that from buddy?! ps3 was going to launch in "spring" - anything between march and up to june, so they had "only" between 4 and 7 months!
you seem to forget that ms as well only succeeded to ship 326.000 consoles to US shops on launch day last year. that is less than Sony's projected 400.000 to NA. apparently as much as 40.000 were immediatelly sold through on Ebay (which will happen with Sony as well) and that 30% of them needed a return because of defects...
but well. we'll see uh?! I like Sony's offering a LOT more than MS's. and all the given technology comes at a cheaper price as well. but ok. since it is all in the box, you pay more initially, which is nothing but absolutely normal.
QUOTEStill, to be fair 20 launch titles is more exciting than the 18 that the 360 had, but not many people were ready to go forward with next gen gaming. But next gen gaming is now a year old, and there is talk that many companies got a "deal" from sony to wait until they hit the shelves.
the majority still is not now. of the 104 million ps2 owners (and 30 mill xbox), only a small percentage is ready now; is looking to replace old with new.
QUOTEI personally would put it past Sony to be having such a small number of sonsoles for launch for two reasons:
1. easy to "sell out" of a costly console that has many functions (most of which are already present in the modern home).
2. create artificial demand for a real launch, so they can enforce the you have to buy two games with the console rule.
hmmm... exactly like 360 last year then?! except maybe... 360 did far from sell out in japan. bummer for ms there.
but look at it how you want: for me gen 1 games mean, games released during the launch window. yes, they are more polished now then they were 6 months ago, off friggen course they are /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> . but still... these are the first batch, the first generation of games. NOT the second. djeez.
duh. smart sony then. stoopid microsoft huh?! really. can you blame them for trying to max out development time with a processor that is absolutely and totally untried and untested before STI developed it?
QUOTEIf the console had been released at the initial start date, the games would not have had a year to stew in "somewhat" better graphics. They can't just come in and say "this game we made right now is only our first gen", because many of their offerings now look far better than when they were originally showing.
what is your point raum... it is really quite obvious they (first and third party) indeed do not sit still in between. do you think they should've?! just to play fair maybe? like ms always does?!
really I am not getting you. many of their offerings indeed look far better than their first screens - much like MS with initial 360 screens maybe?
what I find utterly amazing is that e.g. motorstorm is looking nearly as good as its prerendered videos from E3 2005 (!!) when everybody was bully-ing Sony for promising image quality they could never ever deliver. hell I even thought so: "here we go again. emotion-engine like marketing blah-blah all over again." It seems that this time they indeed were for real!
QUOTESo this is what they are doing while they fail to deliver their console, improve their launch titles when to be honest . And then, there is the whole notion that the third parties were working on both at the same time. Regardless, every title here was ready to go in January, and they've just spent another 10 months amping the games for what looks to be a launch that is disappointing alot of people; that will only make their product available to .075% of the US population.
again. nothing more than normal huh?!
hardware delays maybe translate into software advantages hmm?!
and "january"?! 10 months?!? where's that from buddy?! ps3 was going to launch in "spring" - anything between march and up to june, so they had "only" between 4 and 7 months!
you seem to forget that ms as well only succeeded to ship 326.000 consoles to US shops on launch day last year. that is less than Sony's projected 400.000 to NA. apparently as much as 40.000 were immediatelly sold through on Ebay (which will happen with Sony as well) and that 30% of them needed a return because of defects...
but well. we'll see uh?! I like Sony's offering a LOT more than MS's. and all the given technology comes at a cheaper price as well. but ok. since it is all in the box, you pay more initially, which is nothing but absolutely normal.
QUOTEStill, to be fair 20 launch titles is more exciting than the 18 that the 360 had, but not many people were ready to go forward with next gen gaming. But next gen gaming is now a year old, and there is talk that many companies got a "deal" from sony to wait until they hit the shelves.
the majority still is not now. of the 104 million ps2 owners (and 30 mill xbox), only a small percentage is ready now; is looking to replace old with new.
QUOTEI personally would put it past Sony to be having such a small number of sonsoles for launch for two reasons:
1. easy to "sell out" of a costly console that has many functions (most of which are already present in the modern home).
2. create artificial demand for a real launch, so they can enforce the you have to buy two games with the console rule.
hmmm... exactly like 360 last year then?! except maybe... 360 did far from sell out in japan. bummer for ms there.
but look at it how you want: for me gen 1 games mean, games released during the launch window. yes, they are more polished now then they were 6 months ago, off friggen course they are /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> . but still... these are the first batch, the first generation of games. NOT the second. djeez.
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QUOTE(Brains @ Oct 11 2006, 08:59 PM) all in all - as far as predictions go: I expect Sony to go head-to-head in NA until 2011, with MS marginally beating them: 45%-40%. MS will launch x720 at that moment, which will be too early. Sony will pop out ps4 at least a year later...
bleh! :|
HEY!
how much are these "analysts" paid?!
here's an IDG report confirming almost the exact same numbers I mentioned October 11th...
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... mitstart=0
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bleh! :|
HEY!
how much are these "analysts" paid?!
here's an IDG report confirming almost the exact same numbers I mentioned October 11th...
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... mitstart=0
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Brains,
I am actually not getting you. You are matching up two systems, and swearing allegience to one, and can't get either. Me I have only said "I am satified with my purchase" and proved Ms is a competent marketshare in console markets.
Furthermore, I have taken pains to upload video (Armored Core) and link pictures (Marvel) between systems that show no value adding features to sony's games, and these are games I will not only continue to look at, but that I have already put the money down for.
I have given Sony their fair shake. sure it has all these other features. If I had no computer, and wanted a decent media computer, i might get one, in the ensuing months when they are finally available to maybe a full ONE percent of the people who are in line for one. other than that, I don't see the big deal.
But you have already said you don't have the money to enter this generation of gaming. fine. i respect that, I have some great times ahead on my PS2, still.
but you are going to huge effort to try and get the last word on this one, for no real reason I can see.
I am HAPPY with the console in my living room that I can go home and play, and that has great support online and great titles coming forth. For ME, the exclusive games coming to the XBox made the call.
You seem to be bound and determined to sell PS3 like you get a commission, and have never actually played one. Sure it will be great if you like consoles. i know it will be great, and i know the first batch will be the worst. it just happens that way. but to be honest, I have price quotes from people "in the know" and can do my own math... you will pay 1000 dollars for a premium system, spare controller, two games, the cables for 1080i (1080p will require more), product replacement plans, and sales tax.
all for a system that is subject to all the flaws of a first run through production, and won't let you put batteries in your own controller? and some of the "features" conflict. You can use the PSP as a controller or periphery (great idea), but when you use it as a controller, does that mean no SIXAXIS, if so, then why not rumble (well, because Sony woulnd't pay royalties, but still..)
Sony has bugs to work out,.. and this whole thing sounds like they are going to have your hand in their pocket for a while, all for a heavy black behemoth that looks exactly like a boss stereo component system, (seriously, that is a lawsuit waiting to happen).
for me,
I am actually not getting you. You are matching up two systems, and swearing allegience to one, and can't get either. Me I have only said "I am satified with my purchase" and proved Ms is a competent marketshare in console markets.
Furthermore, I have taken pains to upload video (Armored Core) and link pictures (Marvel) between systems that show no value adding features to sony's games, and these are games I will not only continue to look at, but that I have already put the money down for.
I have given Sony their fair shake. sure it has all these other features. If I had no computer, and wanted a decent media computer, i might get one, in the ensuing months when they are finally available to maybe a full ONE percent of the people who are in line for one. other than that, I don't see the big deal.
But you have already said you don't have the money to enter this generation of gaming. fine. i respect that, I have some great times ahead on my PS2, still.
but you are going to huge effort to try and get the last word on this one, for no real reason I can see.
I am HAPPY with the console in my living room that I can go home and play, and that has great support online and great titles coming forth. For ME, the exclusive games coming to the XBox made the call.
You seem to be bound and determined to sell PS3 like you get a commission, and have never actually played one. Sure it will be great if you like consoles. i know it will be great, and i know the first batch will be the worst. it just happens that way. but to be honest, I have price quotes from people "in the know" and can do my own math... you will pay 1000 dollars for a premium system, spare controller, two games, the cables for 1080i (1080p will require more), product replacement plans, and sales tax.
all for a system that is subject to all the flaws of a first run through production, and won't let you put batteries in your own controller? and some of the "features" conflict. You can use the PSP as a controller or periphery (great idea), but when you use it as a controller, does that mean no SIXAXIS, if so, then why not rumble (well, because Sony woulnd't pay royalties, but still..)
Sony has bugs to work out,.. and this whole thing sounds like they are going to have your hand in their pocket for a while, all for a heavy black behemoth that looks exactly like a boss stereo component system, (seriously, that is a lawsuit waiting to happen).
for me,
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and for the record, Marvel Ultimate Alliance is FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC!
Excelsior, indeed!
Ch
Excelsior, indeed!
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QUOTE(Brains @ Oct 11 2006, 08:59 PM) all in all - as far as predictions go: I expect Sony to go head-to-head in NA until 2011, with MS marginally beating them: 45%-40%. MS will launch x720 at that moment, which will be too early. Sony will pop out ps4 at least a year later... A different story in Europe where PS3 outsells x360 at 70-18%. JP 50-10. Wii will get very comfortable sales in the US at 15%, the EU at 12% and JP at 40%, making them on-par with Sony in their home territory, mostly due to Wii being cheaper AND bringing the most genuinly new form of interactive digital entertainment.
bleh! :|
i am revising these predictions... because of the 360 Elite launch and the Wii success... by 2011 it will be:
US: 40% PS3, 35% 360, 25% Wii
EU: 55% PS3, 20% 360, 25% Wii
JP: 45% PS3, 15% 360, 40% Wii
bleh! :|
i am revising these predictions... because of the 360 Elite launch and the Wii success... by 2011 it will be:
US: 40% PS3, 35% 360, 25% Wii
EU: 55% PS3, 20% 360, 25% Wii
JP: 45% PS3, 15% 360, 40% Wii
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PS3 is better because it includes a BluRay player, runs cooler and quieter and has the power supply built-in. When I saw that the 360 had a power brick I was instantly turned off from it.
Microsoft should stick to operating systems.
Microsoft should stick to operating systems.
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360>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3
by a mile.
Who wants to pay 600 for a damn gaming system?
by a mile.
Who wants to pay 600 for a damn gaming system?
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still not worth bidding though. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
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