War between Lebanon and Palestinian Fatah

#1

Ok, here is the deal, basically the Palestinian refugee camps in Palestine are full of people being recruited by Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and other groups. They actually ATTACKED the country that offered them refuge, and Lebanon is cracking down with a BIG response, and not letting things like human relief in the way.

You will not see this fighting advertised because it doesn't include Israel. It can't be spun to make George Bush bad, either. so, what's the point of anyone knowing it? NO PERSON has called for the end of the hostilities in Lebanon at this time. In fact, quite the opposite, the Islamic Jihad and the Fatah telephone spokesmen have been on the phone with CNN and AP. Even George Soros funded Human Rights Watch has no mention. Because it shows maybe Israel needs to defend itself against Palestine, and it shows there are unfortunately forces in Lebanon that seek to exploit her for palestine's gain, and Israel's destruction.

I say, "I bring you in my house, and you act a fool, you leave. I bring you in my house and you try and take my lease, you goin down." it ain't about hatred. it's about respect.

For the Palestinian Militant, it's about ambition. The ambition of the militant palestinian refugees in Lebanon is to take over, despite infighting with Hezbollah, and gain a vantage point in destroying Israel. These are ghettos where they have been long enough to claim "heritage" of sorts. If they get a large enough foothold, they will try and usurp Lebanon with the help of its native militant muslims and Hezbollah. If that happens, they will unleash hell on all of Israel. If Lebanon falls, so does all hope of peace between the existing nations of the Middle East.

why the hell do they always get back to square one at this time of year?

#2

The most interesting thing to me, is what you started off with in the second paragraph...If Dubya ain't involved, and especially in a negative way, it is not news...In fact, reading this post is the first I've heard of the incident, and I wake up to CNN every morning...

#3

Its been on a couple of gov website, yahoo had a 2 sentence article on refugee camps harboring terrorists, criminals and general scum along with a couple of shootings.

The whole place is a frigging mess (1 nuke woulod fix it though)

I agree everyone skips over these events if its not anti bush (or something he might have done wrong) or anti Israel (or something they may have done wrong)

Lebanon and Beruit used to be beautiful places (now picture 'Towmaters' junkyard) and if now full of killers, terrorists and scumbags

Most of the politicians and so called relief agencies and camps in Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon arent worth what I leave in the toilet each morning.

#4

goes to show that American stations did not carry the story, because over here in Europe, it's been prime time news for over a week now. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

it shows that american stations indeed are not interested in anything if it is not involving themselves. who over there cares indeed if Israel is not involved or bush is not made look back. funny that. that kind of self interest is exactly what i am trying to prove time and again.

#5

I dunno about TV- I dont watch it 'cept for Cubs and Tribe baseball, baseball playoffs, Colts, Superbowl, NBA Playoffs, and other sports shows.

The Media bias here in the states is unbelievably bad- CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC they all suck which is why I stopped watching

#6

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']
Ok, here is the deal, basically the Palestinian refugee camps in Palestine are full of people being recruited by Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and other groups. They actually ATTACKED the country that offered them refuge.
[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

Wow man....where are you getting this information from??....apart from U.S. newsagencies

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']You will not see this fighting advertised because it doesn't include Israel.[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

Huh?!?........Israel and all it's arrogance is more or less to blame for this conflict!!

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']It can't be spun to make George Bush bad, either. so, what's the point of anyone knowing it? NO PERSON has called for the end of the hostilities in Lebanon at this time.[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

Ahem?!?.....Security Council calls for the end of hostilities in Lebanon

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']In fact, quite the opposite, the Islamic Jihad and the Fatah telephone spokesmen have been on the phone with CNN and AP. Even George Soros funded Human Rights Watch has no mention. Because it shows maybe Israel needs to defend itself against Palestine, and it shows there are unfortunately forces in Lebanon that seek to exploit her for palestine's gain, and Israel's destruction.[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

What???.....Israels needs to defend itself?????????............Dude, Israel has a much mightier army than Palestine, who basically defend themselves with sticks and stones!!
Anyways...Who the fuck is CNN??

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']I say, "I bring you in my house, and you act a fool, you leave. I bring you in my house and you try and take my lease, you goin down." it ain't about hatred. it's about respect.[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

Umm Billy Graham maybe?..

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']For the Palestinian Militant, it's about ambition. The ambition of the militant palestinian refugees in Lebanon is to take over, despite infighting with Hezbollah, and gain a vantage point in destroying Israel. These are ghettos where they have been long enough to claim "heritage" of sorts. If they get a large enough foothold, they will try and usurp Lebanon with the help of its native militant muslims and Hezbollah. If that happens, they will unleash hell on all of Israel. If Lebanon falls, so does all hope of peace between the existing nations of the Middle East.[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

Best of luck to them....they have nothing, they have no chance of usurping Israel or Lebanon, or anyone else in any region.

[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']why the hell do they always get back to square one at this time of year?
[quote name='raum' post='187087' date='May 22 2007, 10:15 AM']

Possibly because they have had enough of having their homeland constantly invaded. Possibly because they have had enough of being molested by their arrogant neighbours.

#7

schmiko - Israeli, Palestinian, Shiite, Fatah, Christian, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc none are faultless so take the anti-Israeli rheotric someplace else

checkout these links

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/newsd ... enDocument

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 205930.stm

http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/200 ... 8328.shtml

http://www.openlebanon.org/

All have their good (and 4 some -ie the terror groups all- bad points)

The whole Middle East is full of Macho BS and Religious BS supported by killing women and children. Its like a bad B- movie where kindergartners are givien guns the whole Middle East scene- all need a big ASS Spanking

I agree Israel and Palestine have the right to exist peacefully and to protect themselves, Lebanon deserves to be free (not a Syrian or terrorist run country), Hezbollah and Hamas need to be wiped of the face of the Earth.

If I was US Prez I'd turn the whole damn place into a glowing US Oil reserve with sign

RADIOACTIVE donot pump oil till 2707!!!!!

#8

Lebanon: Fighting at Refugee Camp Kills Civilians
Lebanese Army and Fatah al-Islam Must Protect Civilians in Nahr al-Bared
(Beirut, May 23, 2007) “ Civilians in the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp have been killed and wounded in escalating clashes between the Lebanese army and the Palestinian armed faction Fatah al-Islam, Human Rights Watch said today.

The indiscriminate shelling of a densely populated refugee camp can result in a bloodbath. The Lebanese authorities need to restore order in a way that minimizes civilian casualties.

Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch

Eyewitnesses told Human Rights Watch that the Lebanese army has repeatedly shelled the densely populated Palestinian refugee camp with tanks and mortars. Lebanese officials charged that the militants are using the camp™s residents to shield themselves.

The Lebanese army™s assault on Nahr al-Bared began Sunday after armed militants from Fatah al-Islam killed 27 soldiers in ambushes and clashes. From inside the camp, Fatah al-Islam militants fired rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns at army posts on the camp perimeter.

œThe indiscriminate shelling of a densely populated refugee camp can result in a bloodbath, said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. œThe Lebanese authorities need to restore order in a way that minimizes civilian casualties.

The number of civilians killed in the fighting remains unknown, as the Lebanese authorities are restricting access due to the ongoing fighting. Health personnel who have gained access to the camp have focused on evacuating the wounded. A Lebanese Red Cross official told Human Rights Watch that the organization transferred at least 57 wounded from the camp to hospitals in the last 48 hours of fighting, including 40 on Tuesday. According to Reuters, at least 27 civilians have been killed since Sunday, as well as 22 militants and 32 soldiers.

Wounded civilians evacuated from the camp told Human Rights Watch that the Lebanese army™s tank and artillery shells were falling indiscriminately on certain neighborhoods in the camp, killing and injuring civilians and damaging houses, water tanks, health dispensaries and mosques. Several other civilians told Human Rights Watch that they were injured by unidentified sniper fire often coming from areas outside the camp.

Under principles of international humanitarian law, warring parties are prohibited from using means and methods of attack that cannot discriminate between civilians and combatants, including indiscriminate shelling. Nor may they carry out attacks that are expected to cause loss of civilian life that is disproportionate to expected military gain.

Marwan Hamadeh, the Lebanese minister of telecommunications, accused Fatah al-Islam of using the camp™s population as hostages. Using civilians to shield one™s own forces from attack is a serious violation of international humanitarian law, Human Rights Watch said. Placing forces or weapons in the vicinity of heavily populated areas can also result in violations of international humanitarian law.

œFatah al-Islam militants must not hide among civilians, and the Lebanese army must take better precautions to prevent needless civilian deaths, said Stork.

The clashes have led to a rapidly worsening humanitarian crisis inside the camp. According to evacuated camp residents interviewed by Human Rights Watch, the army shelling destroyed two of the camp™s main water containers, as well as electrical generators and health dispensaries. Food, medical and water supplies are running low, despite efforts by the Lebanese Red Cross, Palestinian Red Crescent, International Committee of the Red Cross and the United Nations to bring in supplies.

On Tuesday afternoon, a convoy carrying humanitarian supplies from the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) was shelled as it tried to enter the camp during a short-lived ceasefire. An UNRWA staff member participating in the convoy told Human Rights Watch that he saw three mortar shells hit the six-vehicle convoy, damaging three of them. UNRWA has reported two civilian casualties, while an eyewitness estimated that the number may be higher.

On Tuesday night, the Associated Press reported that thousands of refugees began leaving the camp following a lull in the fighting.

œThe Lebanese army and the Fatah al-Islam fighters should establish a safe passage to allow the civilians to leave the camp and let humanitarian supplies for civilians in, Stork said.

Humanitarian law also requires that whenever circumstances permit, warring parties must without delay take all measures to collect and evacuate the dead.

Background

The fighting erupted in the early hours of Sunday, May 20, after Lebanese security forces raided a building in the coastal city of Tripoli to arrest suspects in a bank robbery. Fighters of Fatah al-Islam then allegedly attacked army posts at the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp, situated 15 kilometers north of Tripoli.

Nahr al-Bared is the second-largest Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon, with more than 30,000 people living in densely laid-out structures. Fatah al-Islam, an Islamist group, uses the camp as its main base. The withdrawal of Syrian intelligence and security agents in 2005, following the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri, left a security vacuum that Fatah al-Islam has exploited.

Fatah al-Islam, a Sunni Muslim Palestinian group, emerged in 2006 after it split from Fatah al-Intifada, a pro-Syrian Palestinian faction that split from Yasser Arafat™s organization, Fatah. Lebanese authorities accused the group of bombing two minibuses in the Christian town of Ain `Alaq in February 2006, killing three people. They also hold Fatah al-Islam members responsible for at least three bank robberies, most recently on May 19 in the coastal town of Amioun south of Tripoli.

Under a 1969 agreement between the government and the Palestine Liberation Organization, brokered by the Arab League, Lebanon™s army may not enter the refugee camps, which are supposed to be œself-policing. In Nahr al-Bared and other northern areas, Syrian intelligence and military forces held sway until they were forced to withdraw following the Hariri assassination.

Taken From HUMAN RIGHTS NEWS

#9

QUOTE(gmsnctry @ May 26 2007, 12:14 AM) schmiko - Israeli, Palestinian, Shiite, Fatah, Christian, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc none are faultless so take the anti-Israeli rheotric someplace else

It actually isn't anti Israeli rhetoric, but more anti-certain U.S. (and other western) news reporting agencies!

#10

actually the title is quite misleading as well... it is not palestinian fatah, but fatah-al-islam...

your comment about not seeing this on the news seems to be the other way around as well... since seeing this topic on the news, there has not been quite the outrage there should be about Israel bombing Palestinian targets AND Israel abducting chosen Palestinian ministers. how many times have you heard that? a sovereign country abducting elected ministers?!

where's the outrage there?

like happened when Israel attacked Lebanon last year, news of Israel also operating in Palestine was and now is far and in between...