The Dark Knight

[Sir Jig-A-Lot]

You see the whole nine dude. TF ain't just a cameo.

[AYHJA]

After a week of lallygagging, I finally made it to see TDK...

Blown away...

As a fan of movies and comics, I must ask, 'What more could you ask for..?'

Ledgers take on the Joker is legendary...May that man rest in peace...Well done, Heath...Well done...

I don't think there is something that could have made the movie better, I honestly don't...I mean it was banging on so many levels..! The action, the underlying psychology of it all...It's not hard for me to see why people that are fans of DC are first and foremost fans of the Batman...I will pay to see this shit on IMAX, please believe...

9.7 of 10...

[Sir Jig-A-Lot]

I don't think there is something that could have made the movie better

Fixing up a couple of plot holes to start with.

Are you guys telling me that you didn't notice 2 major plotholes during the fundraiser scene? c'mon!

The film should have ended with:
Joker dangling
Then cut to an Arkham scene with him howling away all straightjacketed in a cell.
Cut to a coin being flipped and Two Face catching it while standing over some bodies.
Cut to credits.

Now that would've been perfect. I get why Nolan used the ending he did in keeping with the themes, but honestly it still felt anti-climactic to me(a small indie flick could've gotten away with it). It wasn't necessary.
I haven't changed my rating in the least, but it falls short of perfection.

I think TDK is a crime flick first & foremost & a Batman flick second.

[ne0knight]

But that's just it, Jig. Batman is and always was supposed to be a crime flick. While other heroes may strive for the greater good of the world, Batman has sworn an oath to his parents to rid their city of the crime that took their lives.

And as for how the movie ended:

Spoiler:

I think the the decision to have Joker literally left hanging was a purposeful one. It's left to the viewer's imagination what will eventually happen to him. Further, Harvey was Joker's ace in the hole - the conclusion of Two-Face's storyline was more dire than that of the Joker's. Personally, I would have felt that the Joker in Arkham would be more anticlimactic than Two-Face nearly killing Gordon's son and then Bats subsequently taking the blame for his crimes.

[ne0knight]

Oh and

Spoiler:

I'm calling it - Harvey isn't dead. Two-Face will return. And that's why I think the movie ended the way it did.

[Sir Jig-A-Lot]

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Spoiler:

Whoever said he was dead? Physically anyway. The only one who's crying "He's definitely dead" is that dickwad Campea over @ themovieblog. Yes, Harvey as we knew him is dead, but not Harvey as he is. The reasoning lies in the plotholes i mentioned which take place earlier in the film. Please tell me you know what i'm talkin, about,Ne0?~!?

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For Those Of You Who Hate How Bale As Batman Talks

[happywonton]

Hahahhahaha. Really though when Bale speaks I'm just like what the fuck? How can someone take him seriously? But at least it's not Johnny Depp's version of Willy Wonka.

[Sir Jig-A-Lot]

I'm just like what the fuck? How can someone take him seriously?

If he wasn't such a good actor, I wouldn't be able to either.

But at least it's not Johnny Depp's version of Willy Wonka.

That was fucking horrendous job. :disappoint:


I dunno I've never had any issue understanding Bale when he does that voice, & yet, a lot of folk I saw it with or talked to about it say they do.I must have ears like a bat. :laff:

[sloindahed]

Jig, although I respect and understand you opinion on how the film should have ended, I just can't agree with it because that's not what the movie was about at all. I want to address your statement that this film was "a Batman flick second".

Spoiler:

There is a shared focus in this film between Batman's story and Harvey Dent's story. The Joker is used basically as a catalyst to bring change in how these two characters view themselves and the world and vice versa. Batman's idea of his "one rule" and how the world views him as well as Harvey Dent's beliefs and his quest for justice are changed due to the Joker's actions. By the end of the film, they show that this was really Batman's story as his "one rule" is truly put to the test and how all of his sacrifices throughout the whole film come to a head when he makes the decision to take the blame for Harvey's murders and therefore become Gotham's true "hero" in the most precise definition of the word. I saw that as a very exciting and fitting climax of the film as it truly changes Batman's legend and how the world will eventually view him.

I agree that the ending that Jig proposed would have been a good ending... but for a TV show or maybe another type of Batman movie, not for this film. I think ne0kinght brought up a very good point about the Joker's fate. Had the film climaxed with Joker ending up in Arkham, Two-Face on the loose somewhere, and subsequently Batman as the good hero of Gotham (in terms of how the people view him), then they would have just copied the stories of the past films and incarnations of the Batman lore where you would have a "villain-of-the week" type of thing and the police calling on Batman with their Bat-Signal whenever a villain would escape or be on the loose. You'd have the police and Gordon looking like incompetent detectives and enforcers of the law while Batman is basically a police officer in a ridiculous costume and always viewed as a good guy by the citizens of Gotham. And then the villains... well, I think everyone saw how they were handled by Schumacher and co. Those stories have already been done (and repeated many times) with Batman.

As for Harvey's fate in the film, I would have to say that at first I thought he didn't die and that the funeral was a facade for the citizens of Gotham to believe. But because of it's ambiguity I can't be sure of it and I'm still on the fence about it. I'm thinking the ambiguity of his fate was on purpose much like the ambiguity of Joker's fate and it therefore brings many possibilities for the third film (if it even happens).

I'm sorry if this sounded like a rant but I just wanted to give my thoughts on how I saw the film and what it presented. I just believe TDK truly is a Batman film and how his presence changes Gotham both at the beginning of the film and by the end of the film. Truly brilliant in how they told this story that could only be told with these characters.

Please take no offense Jig. This was purely my opinion and thoughts and would really like to know what you and any others thought of the story and the characters and themes the film presented... or even with the thoughts that I just brought up.

[sloindahed]

Jig, That vid you linked to on youtube about Batman's voice had me cracking up.
Good thing you brought up the plot holes you noticed 'cause a friend of mine told me a problem he noticed in one scene that I couldn't shake off and bothered me the second time I saw the film...

Spoiler:

In the fundraiser, when Batman jumps to rescue Rachel, Joker is consequently left (along with his goons I might add) up in the penthouse with all the guests to fend for themselves. But the scene ends without even showing that and, logically, you would have to think that Joker must have known that Harvey Dent was still somewhere in the penthouse and continued to look for him. At the very least, he must have done something to/with the guests in order to find him or even just for the "fun" of it (which would have made for a pretty compelling scene).

I hope that's one of the two plot holes you're talking about and am interested to know what the other one is (despite the risk of ruining the genius of the film for me, lol).