Democratic/Republican Party Conventions 2008

[raum]

I liked McCain's speech last night...It was classy, and what I would have expected from a man like him...Sort of shocked to hear that exact same speech on behind me while him and Gov Palin (who is also repeating her VP speech) are in Wisconsin...I wonder if she realizes that some will feel her 'community organizer' crack aimed at Barak is probably not so funny to middle class folk...They need to tap her on the shoulder on that one...There was a guy in the stands with a 'McCain hates Vets' poster, and somebody else who had to be escorted out of the building...Racy stuff man, almost too hot for TV...And magically, McCain's speech moved his entire platform from experience to reform...Sounds like that whole 'change' thing the Dems dreamed up is working good enough alright...

Um, fact check Obama voted in line with the Democratics Party almost 100% of the time.

McCain voted in line with Bush alot, but often against party opinion and position. Neither man is totally about "change" and I assure you what we get is a hybrid of both of their platforms. Every trend speaks to pressure off American families.

GWB is "Ra the Weak." It will certainly, as always, be a "dEath" of the king leading to the rebirth of the nation. GWB will be considered a president of impact, and some of the good that comes is due to his executive authority, regardless of who is in office.

Just like Obama says he will leave the budget without debt, not true. He will leave it with a plan longer than even two terms that would balance, just like Clinton. But EVERY president is obligated to leave with a projected balanced budget. It's part of the job. Carter was the only one who couldn't.

The real key to American prosperity is State's Rights!!!! I think the only person who gets that in the general election is a governor of ability. Sarah Palin *appears* to be a woman of ability, and a governor.

The question is what team can get the most done. Both are *seemingly* good, but imperfect, men among men and a woman of a calibur that speaks of equality not as a ideal, but a reality.

Honestly, either of these men are really going to do about the same thing. And our economy will bloom, and whoever will take credit. and also not meet all obligations.

NOW

Today, in a general election, McCain would win.

CNN's polls show that JoBama is ahead of McCain in Electoral votes...



Factcheck is they are tied 42-42 with exepcted bounce from McCain of another 8 points. That is not CNN... which is crap.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/ ... index.html

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I'm curious to know when McCain/Palin are going to start campaigning on their plans for the future of America. Obama is giving specifics on his plans that people can look at and assess.

I'd reward work by providing an income tax cut of up to $500 per person -- or $1,000 for each working family -- to offset the payroll tax that they're already paying.

At least it's a concrete idea that the voters can think about and decide if they like it or hate it.

But McCain/Palin are still giving fluff speeches full of slogans. It's not enough to campaign on, "John McCain will end America's dependency on foreign oil!" "Hurrah!" How, exactly?
"John McCain will assure victory in Iraq!" "USA!" "USA!" What would McCain consider as a victory and are his ideas realistic?

I can't remember McCain ever giving too many specifics in his speeches. You can find details on the internet, but telling people to google your economic plan is not campaigning. People want to know these candidates know what they're talking about and mean what they're saying.

[raum]

I'm curious to know when McCain/Palin are going to start campaigning on their plans for the future of America. Obama is giving specifics on his plans that people can look at and assess.

You mean like these?

http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/Jobsfo ... relief.htm


I'm curious when Obama is going to tell you his wife worked until his candidacy for two jobs... sure she has the job in healthcare, but she also gets options and salary on the board of directors from a subsidiary for Wal-Mart that has killed health benefits, wages, and is under investigation for denying people overtime wages, and still has no mention of its employees in its mission statement. Of course, when people found that out, she quit because of time issues.

..was her getting out of the sweatshop business part of his plan for "change?

[Bastard Brigade]

You mean like these?

No. You missed my point. "You can find details on the internet, but telling people to google your economic plan is not campaigning." How do you know anything online is from McCain? I would like to hear it from his own mouth so I know this is his plan and his ideas and he knows what he's talking about. The quote from Obama is from his own mouth.

"John McCain's policies will increase the value of the dollar and thus reduce the price of oil."
Sounds great. How will he do it?

"should be accompanied by reforms" --- What specific reforms?

"promote greater transparency and accountability" --- How? What's the plan? What does McCain propose that will promote greater transparency? New federal regulations? What are they?

This is were McCain needs to get specific on the campaign trail and compare his plans to Obama's.

If Obama says America is a great country but he will make it even greater, that sounds nice, but it's a whole lotta nuthin'. It will garner applause but it doesn't tell you anything. Look past the meaningless stage shows for real answers or don't give a shit and vote for who Oprah tells you to or because Palin looks like Tina Fey. You'll get the government you deserve.

[Sir Jig-A-Lot]

Someone is getting sonned hard here.

[AYHJA]

LoL...

If we hear them come out of their mouths, then we know at least to a degree that they have a greater intent...Alas, the conventions are over, and we can now move on into the last leg of the presidential relay...Hopefully the upcoming debates will shed some light into these candidates, reveal their flaws, but more importantly reveal intentions to help me and people like me feel better about survival...

[Bastard Brigade]

...his wife worked...on the board of directors from a subsidiary for Wal-Mart that has killed health benefits, wages, and is under investigation for denying people overtime wages, and still has no mention of its employees in its mission statement. Of course, when people found that out, she quit because of time issues.

..was her getting out of the sweatshop business part of his plan for "change?

This is the first I've heard of this so I had to do some checking.

TreeHouse Foods is not a subsidiary of Wal-Mart and as such has no influence over the labor practices of Wal-Mart.

I see where you're going with this -- Obama is a vocal critic of Wal-Mart to win union support while his wife sat on the board of a company that does business with Wal-Mart -- smacks of hypocrisy.

If you consider the thousands of companies that supply Wal-Mart to be guilty by association with Wal-Mart's "sweatshop business", regardless of their own internal labor practices. That's for each voter to decide.

[raum]

You mean like these?

No. You missed my point. "You can find details on the internet, but telling people to google your economic plan is not campaigning." How do you know anything online is from McCain? I would like to hear it from his own mouth so I know this is his plan and his ideas and he knows what he's talking about. The quote from Obama is from his own mouth.

But Obama's quote from his own mouth doesn't hold water according to this actual plan of policies. I can not and will not hold people to what they say in the furors of speeches. I hold them to the policies they deliver in writing as executive actions! You make a deal with someone, you get it in writing. the speeches are not what they deliver in proposal. READ THIER POLICIES. You can find them at local campaign headquarters. All of the debates to come will actually be about policies. Obama stretched as much truth as people did about McCain. go to factcheck.org at the least. They are non-partisan, btw. Not even Obama outlined his actual policies, he just presented keynotes. and many were skewed...

For the record, I do not endorse either candidate yet, I am just quick make sure Obama's celebrity status is kept in check. Of everyone up there, the most unliked for me is Biden, who is in a position that is almost identical to LBJ's....

"John McCain's policies will increase the value of the dollar and thus reduce the price of oil."

Sounds great. How will he do it?

It's actually the otherway around. His policies of oil were outlined in the primaries. Did you watch them? He will cut oil and gas taxes, and enforce price structures in a regulatory petroleum market much like current power prices are enforced by the NERC and FERC to prevent market manipulation. The dollar's value sits on oil and housing and food. And we are shipping that oversees. Cutting off support of people who do not like us is crucial at this time. There is not reason for oil taxes like we are seeing.

"should be accompanied by reforms" --- What specific reforms?

Civics 101: Most reform is actually done in bills. those bills have to be written and introduced by congress not McCain or Obama. They can get someone to draft them for them, but plainly they can only veto them if they don't agree with them.

"promote greater transparency and accountability" --- How? What's the plan? What does McCain propose that will promote greater transparency? New federal regulations? What are they?

He will elect a congressional committee to determine a solution. they will probably enforce more regulation, and investigate reported offsets for manipulation.

This is were McCain needs to get specific on the campaign trail and compare his plans to Obama's.

This is where American's need to stop sucking on CNN's nipples or helping mtv rock the vote and get back to actually the reading the drafts of their candidate's policies! They will see that much of what spin they see in the limelight is razzle dazzle and softspeak. even from Obama.

Policies that effect your government are in writing, not in speeches. You won't even be able to follow the debates coming if you do not at least scan the policies (preferably have a copy.)

If Obama says America is a great country but he will make it even greater, that sounds nice, but it's a whole lotta nuthin'. It will garner applause but it doesn't tell you anything. Look past the meaningless stage shows for real answers or don't give a shit and vote for who Oprah tells you to or because Palin looks like Tina Fey. You'll get the government you deserve.

Obama has held a Senate seat for 2 years and has voted 100% with the democratic majority. some change.

And for the record I said TreeHouse is subsidiary *FOR* Wal-mart. Wal-Mart is heavily vested in their stock, and file 156 confirms both share other major stockholders including partnerships that invest in both. Wal-Mart is their biggest client and they are the largest food supplier to Wal-Mart...and Treehouse would operate in the red without that Wal-Mart business. Barack made Senator and they gave his wife a job on the board of directors. with no public sector experience. and she only quit when it was brought to light. Obama's family is not immune to temptation. I would eb a hypocrite to be upset with McCains about cindy's past with the WHO, which still bothers me and not mention this same kind of issue on the blue side.

And before anyone thinks I am red-
For the record, Socially Libertarian; Politically Conservative.
Registered independent since age 17.

[raum]

This is where American's need to stop sucking on CNN's nipples or helping mtv rock the vote and get back to actually the reading the drafts of their candidate's policies! They will see that much of what spin they see in the limelight is razzle dazzle and softspeak. even from Obama.

CNN, and also FOX. Sorry, that needed to be said as well...

[NotFunny]

@FYI a good site to check the latest polls.....http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/