the Flaw with Obama's military policy in Afghanistan.

[raum]

Heard stuff like that before lol.....the magic bullet, the card up the sleave....never seems to eventuate though

do you know what bunker-busters would have done in Afghanistan...? but how dare we use weapons that offend people because they work so terribly well!

what we need is a president who says "ENOUGH! We don't want to fight, but we damn sure don't want to lose or make this last any longer than we need to! and the people who complain we use real weapons would complain if we used wrist rockets... so FUCK them. roll the heat out - but do it in waves so we can give them a chance to ask us to accept their surrender!"

(this is not "glass parking lot" talk... just being real - conventional tactical weapons are developed for a reason that they quickly deliver effective measured military response with minimum resistance.)

[blixa]

God knows what they have already dropped lol.....

[raum]

God knows what they have already dropped lol.....

Well, I would have used SCARE and deafened and thrown off the equilibrium of everyone in the Tora Bora caves before ever hitting ground in the regions.

Hard to fight with blood coming out of your ruined ears.

and you are right, spent shells are ok to use... and hardly effective unless they have large vehicles,.. but not bunker busters. WTF

[blixa]

Chances are whoever gets in will end up bogged down in Afghanistan.....

I think Obama would be the more likely of the 2 just to say "fuck it lets pull out".

When it comes to what they have tried and havent tried, I am sure they have "covertly" tested a few new powerful toys up in them thar hills.

[raum]

Chances are whoever gets in will end up bogged down in Afghanistan.....

You do NOT want to surge into Afghanistan. It would literally like trying to invade the Ozarks..

I think Obama would be the more likely of the 2 just to say "fuck it lets pull out".

I am not so sure. He is far too militarily motivated to confront Osama to convince me he is not eager to exercise military power. I could say the same of McCain, but hell, at least he seems the protocol how to use it. In Obama's defense, he does understand the Middle East better, with the kind of homecourt advantage that you can't deny. Doesn't seem to know too much about protocol though. (not that he is the only senator I think would fail a 7th grade civics test.)

When it comes to what they have tried and havent tried, I am sure they have "covertly" tested a few new powerful toys up in them thar hills.

I dunno - the internet age has been a beast of opposition for the secrets of national defense, and George Bush is even more threatening as a "ya'll wanna see how we can blow up more, cool stuff we got huh?" type of open disclosure president.

He seemed a bit too eager to demonstrate military innovation that would have been effective if it were kept low key. Dangerous attitude for a Commander in Chief in a time of war, regardless of who instigated it.

[blixa]

I am not so sure. He is far too militarily motivated to confront Osama to convince me he is not eager to exercise military power. I could say the same of McCain, but hell, at least he seems the protocol how to use it. In Obama's defense, he does understand the Middle East better, with the kind of homecourt advantage that you can't deny. Doesn't seem to know too much about protocol though. (not that he is the only senator I think would fail a 7th grade civics test.)

I think sometimes he talks that "Kill Osama" stuff just so he can sound hardcore and strong on national security.

And as far as finding out about protocol and how it will all get done....hes gonna have a great time dealing with the worlds greatest military beauracracy.


I think the Finnish guy who just won the nobel peace prize is on the right tip, when he says its about creating more employment in the middle east etc etc....

Acces to football on big screen tv's in your own home, gaming consoles for the kids and having enough yummy food, can beat terrorism....(well reduce it considerably anyway)

[raum]

I think sometimes he talks that "Kill Osama" [Obama] stuff just so he can sound hardcore and strong on national security.

I dunno. i personally think people who want to "go" after osama kind of miss the point. We should completely and UTTERLY destroy the fuckers we put in prison that helped this go down. i mean there should be outrage with what we do to them, but running around looking for Where in the world is Osama bin laden is just not gonna work, and if it does = we'll just create a monster in his place somewhere along the way.

And as far as finding out about protocol and how it will all get done....hes gonna have a great time dealing with the worlds greatest military beauracracy.

either Obama or Palin has a LOT to learn about how much power the president doesn't actually have. biden would finally crack some new files, but that is about it.

I think the Finnish guy who just won the nobel peace prize is on the right tip, when he says its about creating more employment in the middle east etc etc....

Access to football on big screen tv's in your own home, gaming consoles for the kids and having enough yummy food, can beat terrorism....(well reduce it considerably anyway)

we tried that before. The whole oil industry of the middle east was to build them an economy. it just didn't work with the irrational political landscape. that was the third time someone tried. i know soccer stopped israeli/palestinian violence for awhile, though.

whatever it is, we need to find a way to "humanize" them. we tried economy, market, elections, and we are getting warmer, but still no dice... yet.

but until they all really recognize the humanity of each other, we pay the price.

[blixa]

yeah but basing that economy on oil was kinda dumb and just became part of the problem.....

As for the Football(soccer) that is an idea that has actually proven itself to work....when Iraq won the asian cup, violence was down, cricket does the same thing in India, Pakistan and Sri lanka.

[raum]

yeah but basing that economy on oil was kinda dumb and just became part of the problem.....

it was the only damn thing they had after . You know the gasoline engine was created to cut down on all the gasoline by-product dumping? oil was a lighting commodity, and used in skin treatments for animals. its use for energy production was similar to coals, sudden emergence as crucial.

As for the Football(soccer) that is an idea that has actually proven itself to work....when Iraq won the asian cup, violence was down, cricket does the same thing in India, Pakistan and Sri lanka.

hey i will move refurbish the Roman Coliseum PERSONALLY if it gets out of the middle east and lets us have our own country's integrity back!

[AYHJA]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... -3,00.html

Article highlighting some rhetoric about Afghanistan between Obama and General Petraeus...