What did 'Jesus' do when he was physically dead?

[x3n]

oh...ok, well...it's somewhat along those lines...
What you're referring to is part of a belief system, mistankely associated with the Vodun practicec in West Africa. Vodun or Voodoo beliefs vary by region and the "zombie" myth is actually based more in the outskirts of Haiti than its Yoruba origins in Africa. Close enough tho; the potion that is said to cause this state has been "analyzed" by "experts" and been found to contain enzymes and chemicals found in various poisonous plants and animals, including pufferfish and some native frogs and herbs. none of this has been properly documented, as far as I know, but...
The blowfish and some frogs in South America are known to cause its victims's body functions to drop to a minimum, suppressing the normal heart rate as well as breathing pattern. There are several accounts ( documented, btw...I'm not sure how well) of individulas mistankenly buried alive because of their bodies sudden change in patterns, resulting in "certainty of death" by the medical community. These situations, BTW are disturbingly recent, historically speaking. What's even MORE interesting is the fact that some cultures like the Egyptians, as AYHJA mentioned, as well as some Yogic masters had knowledge of this aspect of our physiology, and practiced accordingly.

[x3n]

I'll tell ya what folks...take a look at this:
http://cura.free.fr/xxx/27pardo3.html

worth noticing...
QUOTEThe crucifixion, it is generally agreed, was \"scheduled\" for a Friday at Passover (33 AD) when bodies would certainly be taken down by that nightfall. Christ must have deliberately antagonized the chief priests and elders. This would not be difficult since they harbored an almost idolatrous attitude towards the Torah and they did not understand Christ's situation or motivation.

    Now, Joseph of Arimathea must have known when the chief priests and elders customarily went home during Passover. He would also have known the legal time limits before crucified bodies declared dead could be taken down without abuse. These time limits may have been flexible. Christ at 3 pm gets a drug, the vinegar of opium, and becomes unconscious. Whether he is clinically brain dead or not I do not know, although one would get the impression from Isaiah that he died. At 6 pm Joseph of Arimathea (and the centurion) makes the short walk from Golgotha and asks for the body. He has made sure the elders and chief priests have gone home. 7:30 pm is dusk.

    Joseph of Arimathea must have had some diplomatic skills in making his case before Pilate. He was, after all, a councillor, maybe even a trial lawyer. His argument: (a) Christ was a just man-could not he be buried honorably and without abuse according to Jewish custom? (/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> Christ has been dead for 3 hours, he hardly survived the scrouging and the punishment allotted a \"dreamer of dreams\". Is it any wonder he died at 3 pm? Since Christ had not antagonized Pilate at the trial, Joseph of Arimathea, who must have studied Pilate's character, could appeal to his Roman, Anglo-American, sense of justice. There was, however, always the nagging possibility that the Romans, the Philistine thinking Kittim, would run Christ through when he was taken down from the tree.

    An important player was the doctor. He would have to administer the \"vinegar of opium\" (Psalm 69:21) on a hyssop while Christ was on the tree. He also probably administered a dose to be taken in the garden of Gethsemane. To do all of this, the doctor would have to be skilled enough to avert the possibility of opium poisoning. That would mean that the doctor would have known about Christ's diet, size, etc. and would have calculated the amount of opium Christ would drink. The use of this drug explains why the vinegar and gall normally given to the condemned was not drunk.

    From a medical point of view, why opium? (1) opium is a pain killer and a euphoric that takes effect(when administered in small doses) over as much as a 12 hour period. (2) Vinegar of opium can produce a death-like state-the patient must recover within 12 to 72 hours if he is to regain consciousness. Muscles are relaxed, respiration is slowed and shallow, the heart rate is lowered and sleep is induced. A sense of satisfaction and euphoria takes place. (3) The coronary arteries can be dilated so that the patient can survive a heart attack. Christ would have died of heart failure, not asphyxiation. (4) The effects of opium were well known since the ancient Egyptians. Had anyone noticed the effects on a crucified man?

[trashtalkr]

^^that's very interesting....but why would they give the people about to die opium? wouldn't they want the prisoners to suffer?

[raum]

it takes three days for the brain to ceae all activity. they used to let the body in Egypt wait three days until they mummified it, because they knew the "person" (the last vestiges of their consciousness) would be subject to the experiences of the body within those three days.

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btw: props to the commedation, ayhja!

and happy b-day to the men and women of the day!

[trashtalkr]

nice to have you back raum....i've heard alot about you from deeje.

but why would they give them opium? why wouldn't they want the prisoners to suffer? doesn't make sense to me if they give them a pain med before they kill them

[x3n]

This wasn't necessarily a common occurence. Read carefully, this is describing a social and political anti-establishment rebellion, Christ being the key player.
QUOTEObviously, Christ knew in advance what the outcome would be in challenging the power base, egoism and status of the establishment and the \"elders\". And, obviously, he knew the ordeal he would have to face even if it had not been revealed.
I relize this is lenghty, but these discussions usually are. The piece is describing a pre-planned event, and those involved are said to have been well aware of the consequences, and thus prepared for them. The author is talking about a few "silent conspirators".

[Aemeth]

Haysoos.....f'n stoner...lmao

what significance would the ressurection hold then if it was merely a "trick"?

[x3n]

In my humble opinion, Christ's significance was much, much bigger than whether he could pull rabbits out of his ass, ya dig?

[raum]

why would they opiate a crucified man?

you give the reason they would want it to hurt more, but that is not true...

The romans crucified "criminals", not because it was painful for those on the cross, but because it intimidated and demoralized those who might be planning an revolt.

WOuld it be worse to see a man, once fierce and strong, and full of rage and passion, all atg once. Who gathered together the most unlikely group of students, and ripped the heart of the teachings of the Lord from the cold lifeless temple where it had been incubatring since the exile of Solomon? Would it be worse to see him suspended in raGING AGONY HOWLING AND URGING HIS FELLOWS TO UNITE IN GOD AND LOVE AND STRIKE DOWN THE SERPENT THAT YET BONDS THE STAFF OF MOSHEH...or a weak whimpering nodding-off husk of a man who could not make sense of his siurroundings..

This is one commmon view, but not mine.

fisrt of all, i'm, inclined to think, if this happened... he was drugged by pontius pilate, who did npot wan him crucified in the firsat place, and called Jesus frfiend. it was out of mercy Pontius had this done, if it did.

(can you tell i'm baCK ON THE LABtop ayhja,..)

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[trashtalkr]

but if Jesus was giving opium and wasn't really dead like x3n proposed, then why would he rise from the dead? the resurrection wouldn't have any power then if people knew that he was opiumized, then they would know that he really didn't rise from the dead and wouldn't follow his teachings