Abortion

#31

LOL!!! Aight...bring it on. With some new member here, it should be interesting.

#32

Logic wrote:I would have to say it takes more emotional stress to abort then to adopt because.. well, I have been in both situations.. Not 1st hand, but someone close to me has had one or the other in my life.. And witnessing it, adoption was a lot harder..

Adoption is just killing your baby.. because you cant ever see him/her again..

OH SHITFIRE! why did it have to be an Abortion Debate?

Firstly, Logic (to use a metaphor) where is your logic? My brother in his younger days got a girl pregnant, due to both thier ages (18) They decided to adopt the baby out. It was tough, but it was not DEATH. 18 years later a young lady rocked up to my brothers door and it was a HUGE surprise.

Standing there was a beautiful young lady with a massive family resemblance... We have since taken her into our lives and our hearts. She is a treasure, and is now married with 5 boys of her own. Had her mother Aborted her, she would be DEAD. not just gone but DEAD. We would never have had her in our lives enriching us.

Now it is true that not every adoption turns out sweetly, some do. No abortions turn out sweetly. They are a quick, easy solution to a complex problem. Many young mothers that abort suffer psychological problems and scarring.

The Abortion abate has at its core two central questions to answer.

1/When is a fetus alive? - I believe at the moment of conception

2/Does the mother/woman own the fetus/baby? Feminist rhetoric aside
a man helped to conceive that fetus. Also does a woman "own" the fetus? Well on the 22nd of September 1863 President Abraham Lincoln (my Favorite Prez) declared all slaves freed. Period. No one could own another legally in the USA. So once again does a woman own the life in her body - No she is just the guardian.

The biology of it is that the mother and babies blood NEVER mix. the Baby is attached to the mother by a wonderful thing called a placenta. This allows the nutriants to pass through but not the blood. that is why mother and child frequently have differing blood types. I have four abso-fucking-lutely wonderful kids. I have been there for the birth of ALL four. The thought of murdering any of them for being an inconvenience is totally REPUGNANT!

Most kids aborted could have either been prevented (shit you know how cheap friggin' condoms are now?) or dealt with differently. Finally I agree there are some cases were abortion is the ONLY option. Rape, Incest, and MAJOR health problems (the Risk of Death) spring to mind.

I apologise if I have offended anyone but the most evocative issue on the whole planet now is abortion! My wife and I have discussed it a lot. Did you know that even China is re-thinking the abortion issue? Too many women were choosing to abort a baby because it was a girl child. Now they have too many males.

Normally I keep my views on abortion to my self as they tend to stir things up. sigh... ah well... lost another bunch of potential friends... /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

#33

Not at all...There is new technology that allows babies in the womb to be seen better than ever before with new 4D ultra sound techniques...

Looks like you were right, a baby is a baby upon conception...

#34

I agree that it is upon conception. That to me means that you are killing a child and shouldn't abort. But does that mean that birth control is murder also?

#35

Ahhh trashtalkr,
I'm not an "expert" I just have been married nearly 20 years and I have a teenage daughter - I believe in "Informed Decisions" thus the home work.
The pill in its various forms (Contraceptive, contra meaning "against" conception) prevents conception. So do the other things diaphrams IUD's etc. not too sure about - Coil thingies. There is also stuff called spermicide. It is a foam spray that is applied internally to actually kill the little wrigglers thus avoiding conception. And don't forget the Wriggler collectors - Condoms. There are many many other Birth control methods and devices.
Here is a link to a VERY good website that covers the whole spectrum of birth control. It is non political just informative. BTW written by an educated woman. http://www.epigee.org/guide/
There is also a pill that aborts fetus's ( up to 9 weeks old- Which I think is evil!) So don't confuse the two. It has many names and was "invented" by a French Company.
Hope this helps.
Red5llaw
ps there is an OLD saying - "Prevention is better than a cure!"