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Lost Ghost · #11

No, no......You kicked a dirty ole' bum?

lmfao you asshole!

#12

Well raum the thing is even though you were not trying to help the guy but your kicking him and in turn breaking that syringe in his pocket you changed his life dramatically. If it wasn't for that one moment where you unknowingly kicked him out of frustration, you helped him or else he would have overdosed and died that very night. Although it is not a normal way to save someones life and it was never your intention to, but you did. You did save his life that night.

Him fearing you as a repurcussion of what might happen to him if he decides go down that road again is undoubtably making his life better. He is no longer on drugs and is much happier for it. I do agree that it was him that decided he must change however it was you that put him in a position where he had to make that decision to live.

We can never know if he would have actually gone through with over dosing himself but he had bought it for that purpose. If all things had remained the same and you were taken out of the equation completely he would have most proably done it. Whether it be a helpful hand or a kick in frustration, our actions do have a effect on other peoples lives.

At this very moment by reading all these posts our lives are changing, reading all the VU threads I do know that I for one have much more knowledge and whether we realise it or not, we all have the power to help or hurt people.

#13

actually, Deepak:

1. I don't know that he is happy, and suspect otherwise.

2. I think he was so far down the drug road he can't make sense of his life, but not so far down that he lost the will to live. I think he was using that as an excuse, because he was afraid to die.

Yes, LG. I found a guy sleeping in my backyard after coming home from a bad day at work, and kicked him. I did not know he was a friend of my housemate from almost a decade before, and he was waiting for him. So, I kicked him, hard with a steel-toe boot, [prolly said something] and went back inside. Little did I know he was suffering withdrawals.

For the record, I was fresh out the Navy, and still young and dumb, at the ripe old age of 22 and Berkeley had become so overrun with bums kicked out of San Francisco and Oakland, you could not move down the street without bumping into three and falling in the lap of another.

This guy [Josh] got lucky. He had the same name as my little brother, that I was unable to contact for years, and had left in the middle of a breaking marriage [our mom - his dad]. I was studying Tarot and meditation with a person who had decades of experience being a substance abuse counselor, and I decided to try and detox him to test some of my own work and hypothesis, and it would have killed him, except I forced him to learn meditations and rhythmic "mantrum" chanting and breathing to stabalize his body, not methadone. The only chemical addiction he was allowed was smoking (we all smoked) and I forced him to take niacin and nutmeg (and some other herbs) to burn out the toxins, a chemical sweatlodge, really.

He lived in my living room (addicts can't be trusted with privacy), at all times subject to inspection of possessions and body, and concripted with regimented attendeance to meals and random searches for a year, and I told him if he DARED so much as take a drop of alchohol or narcotic, I would personally kill him in the most violent and torturous way imaginable. Then I proceeded to demonstrate "and if you think *this* is the worst, consider *that*... and I took him down a conversation path that motivated him to never even try. Anybody who knows me knows that when I speak of torture, it gets creepy and deep. I can think of ways that have made people violently ill to hear about, and I can go into detail. :twisted: Thank god he never called my bluff.

In short, it was like volunteering to be detained in a military environment, without the luxuries and rights of the geneva convention.

because in reality, I would never do such a thing as I threatened him with. It was to provoke his mind with symbols and impulses that would stabalize it against chemical dependence induced shock. but infinite are the ways it could be done... especially by a universal enthusiast with a penchant for ingenuity and attention to detail.

told you guys I was almost a recruit for the dark side...

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raum

#14

hell raum, it sounds like you were treading on the edges of the shadows! LOL Hey, whatever it takes to turn a life around. I too have a dark area in my soul and a great imagination, so when BSing with friends about what one could do to "get even" with someone, I always leave them with their mouths hanging.

#15

Deep,

I almost became the dark side, willingly. The choice was mine.

See, my conflict with the Light, is it disturbs the Darkness. My eyes are photosenstive... It creates the conflict, that ultimately is nothing more than a vlugar display of its power (Gnosticism, in its most disparing form), or a genuine desire to express its true nature which can simply not be accurately portrayed in terms or records of intervention in human existence.

Thus "doctrine" becomes an equation given to man to resolve to claim its inheritance, which is "Divine Understanding." This basically meant with a worldy experience, personal education in the dark arts, and the light, and 20 years later, I was back the original conclusion I had reached when I was 9, and could not reinforce until I was 12.

The whole book of god can be summed in the first word. Berashith - "In the beginning." The problem was in the English, it was a phrase, not a single word. And that phrase had nothing to do with time.

(B-) "Rashith." Rashith literally means "a turning, a swirl, a twirl, a rotation from a pivotal point."

It is a reference to "Rashith H-Galgalim" - The Rotational movement that in physics is illustrated by the Golden Spiral. Symbolized by the Ancients as a Flyfot Cross (an even-armed cross with the arms evenly bent, implying a circular movement, and inverted by the Nazi Party as the Swastika adorning their arm.

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raum

#16

raum I got what you said in your earlier post and I do agree with you but my point over here is that we all have the abilty to change someones life. Although that person was like in a voluntary boot camp but if it wasnt for you then that person would have proably never experienced such fear and then decide to change his ways. Of course he wanted to change himseld and he came willingly but you were the helping hand that allowed for the process to happen so that he could get over the alcohol.

The point being that you did influence his life even though he did choose to be sober but you were there and you got him off the booz. We all have the power to influence someone elses life.

raum about your last post I understood most of it but when you introduced the book of god I must say I was lost. But the thing is you didnt succumb to the dark side. I do agree that the choice is ours to make in every situation, however that doesnt mean no one else can help us along the way. What im trying to get at here that our actions do have an influence on other peoples lives.

#17

QUOTEraum about your last post I understood most of it but when you introduced the book of god I must say I was lost. But the thing is you didnt succumb to the dark side. I do agree that the choice is ours to make in every situation, however that doesnt mean no one else can help us along the way. What im trying to get at here that our actions do have an influence on other peoples lives.

Deepak,

Since a young age, I debated the ohilosophy of Good and Evil, Light and Dark, and as I was from a protestant community of avergae religious education, I was hard pressed to scrutinize the source of their foundation.

But literally, the Book of God (Liber vel Deus] is not as much the "Bible", but a "theoretical composition" that outlines all of creation. It was said to be given to Adam by the "The Will of God" and many have sought to find it.

I, essentially, believe I am a page of it that has been entrusted to my care. I believe this of everyone. The difference is many who completely adopt the philosophies of the Dark side believe they are the whole book, and have no respect for others, who many believe stand for the illusion and confusion that resides within their own *person*.

Note, when I speak of the Dark side, I am not speaking of "Jedi" and "Sith", I am speaking oif persistent tradition that can perhaps most easily be understood in comparison to the relationship between Osiris and Set, which is often used and implemented for allegory.

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raum

#18

I thought the story was OK... :?

#19

the story, or the sentiment?

be honest, Ay...

you wrote better when you were a freshman in high school, right?

It seems like there was no effort put in the composition.

#20

LoL...

I read differently than most I guess, I just plucked the message out of it and didn't pay much attention to the composition...