http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c ... H&b=242023
R.I.P. Simon.
Justiceer of the Holocaust Dies in Peace
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Wow, he seemed like an amazing man, and definitely lived a long life...R.I.P...
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Boldly trod where others feared to go.
Wiesenthal was a tireless crusader whose heart was in the right place. Even though I disagreed with some of what he said, I respect the man. Our world needs more of his ilk.
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yo bob,
???? I;d thought you'd seen enough of this forum to know you can't just make a general statement and leave it at that...
What did he say you disagree with, what is your reason for disagreeing?
where do you think he went wrong?
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???? I;d thought you'd seen enough of this forum to know you can't just make a general statement and leave it at that...
What did he say you disagree with, what is your reason for disagreeing?
where do you think he went wrong?
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me no guru
raum castigated:-
???? I;d thought you'd seen enough of this forum to know you can't just make a general statement and leave it at that...
Dude, I saw this much:-
"Wow, he seemed like an amazing man, and definitely lived a long life...R.I.P..." which is what AYHJA contributed. That was a general-enough statement, I'd say, but hey! - I'm not complaining. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Nevertheless, here's some meat on the bones.
Wiesenthal was a tireless crusader, that's a fact. Perhaps it's obvious but I still felt it worth noting. There's too much hatred in the world and I believe far too many bastards get away with unspeakable cruelty. It's just my opinion but I think that the more people who do something to fight this situation the better. We can't bring back the victims of the Nazis' Final Solution programme but maybe we can get justice done by bringing some of them to book.
The Nazis performed some dreadful experiments on their captives - mostly Jews. They suppposedly did these things in the name of science. The totally barbaric and unjustifiable "experiments" did nevertheless lead to some results - i.e. scientific knowledge in the form of some biological learnings. As I understand it, Wiesenthal wanted to censor the information. He wanted to "burn the books", so to speak, because the means of getting the information were inhuman. He believed it would be unethical to add the knowledge to the scientific canon. I disagree with this point of view, while I have sympathy with it. I believe that if the knowledge is there and it is useful, we should have it. At least some good can come out of it.
I hope that helps.
???? I;d thought you'd seen enough of this forum to know you can't just make a general statement and leave it at that...
Dude, I saw this much:-
"Wow, he seemed like an amazing man, and definitely lived a long life...R.I.P..." which is what AYHJA contributed. That was a general-enough statement, I'd say, but hey! - I'm not complaining. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Nevertheless, here's some meat on the bones.
Wiesenthal was a tireless crusader, that's a fact. Perhaps it's obvious but I still felt it worth noting. There's too much hatred in the world and I believe far too many bastards get away with unspeakable cruelty. It's just my opinion but I think that the more people who do something to fight this situation the better. We can't bring back the victims of the Nazis' Final Solution programme but maybe we can get justice done by bringing some of them to book.
The Nazis performed some dreadful experiments on their captives - mostly Jews. They suppposedly did these things in the name of science. The totally barbaric and unjustifiable "experiments" did nevertheless lead to some results - i.e. scientific knowledge in the form of some biological learnings. As I understand it, Wiesenthal wanted to censor the information. He wanted to "burn the books", so to speak, because the means of getting the information were inhuman. He believed it would be unethical to add the knowledge to the scientific canon. I disagree with this point of view, while I have sympathy with it. I believe that if the knowledge is there and it is useful, we should have it. At least some good can come out of it.
I hope that helps.
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ah-ha! now that is a an answer.
I completely agree. I would be willing most of mankinds achievements were in times of war, or to its ends. The Nazi's are a very controversial subject, and always will be. but it extends past them.
Like look at the Mitsubishi corporation. Hell, IBM was a consultant in developing the inventory system of the interment camps of the Nazi's. But you will get hung on a cross if you mention that Hitler's house was once in Better Homes and Gardens, where they lauded him as a effective leader with an undeniable sense of class. Nov 1938, if you wanna check for yourself. I have said this and people say I am full of shit, and yet they refuse to look online for it. They areafriad they might find this : which took twenty seconds to find when i lgoogled it up right now:
http://wow.blogs.com/photos/hitler/
You and I are in agreeance about that view he had,.. and I also think he upstaged himself abit in his efforts, but I also think that those characteristics are his flaws,.. and his virtues and dilligence far outweigh his stubborness to making the Jewish/Polish sacrifice of use to the scientific causes of humanity.
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I completely agree. I would be willing most of mankinds achievements were in times of war, or to its ends. The Nazi's are a very controversial subject, and always will be. but it extends past them.
Like look at the Mitsubishi corporation. Hell, IBM was a consultant in developing the inventory system of the interment camps of the Nazi's. But you will get hung on a cross if you mention that Hitler's house was once in Better Homes and Gardens, where they lauded him as a effective leader with an undeniable sense of class. Nov 1938, if you wanna check for yourself. I have said this and people say I am full of shit, and yet they refuse to look online for it. They areafriad they might find this : which took twenty seconds to find when i lgoogled it up right now:
http://wow.blogs.com/photos/hitler/
You and I are in agreeance about that view he had,.. and I also think he upstaged himself abit in his efforts, but I also think that those characteristics are his flaws,.. and his virtues and dilligence far outweigh his stubborness to making the Jewish/Polish sacrifice of use to the scientific causes of humanity.
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And for the record, I had never heard of the man before...My statement was a reflection of my knowledge, which was limited to the posted article...My statement was not general at all...Broad...But not general... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
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i thought it sounded like this was the first time you had heard of the man... while bobpike's position was a bit more informed sounding... and so i called him out on having a strong opinion.
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