All these natural disaters as of late. Tsunami, Hurricanes, Earthquake.......it seems harder and harder to deny the fact that God is sending the sinners of us (New Orleans maybe not a coincedense) a wake up call.
It seems incomprehendable that all these natural disasters are happeneing almost one after another. Is Mother Nature telling us to leave her the fuck alone?
What are your thoughts?
Is it a sign?
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Well, it looks like this isn't the end of it..
Pompeii is overdue for another erruption, and there is a doomsday theory that the earths magnetic poles switch every 2000 years (which is soon), and when that occurs, it will create an EMP blast, causing all electronics which are on, to become destroyed...
I'm sure you'll find many more to prove that some more horror is upon us..
Look how depressed I am /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" /> (that isn't sarcasam, the placing of the emoticon, just by chance it has a second meaning..)
Pompeii is overdue for another erruption, and there is a doomsday theory that the earths magnetic poles switch every 2000 years (which is soon), and when that occurs, it will create an EMP blast, causing all electronics which are on, to become destroyed...
I'm sure you'll find many more to prove that some more horror is upon us..
Look how depressed I am /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" /> (that isn't sarcasam, the placing of the emoticon, just by chance it has a second meaning..)
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Are you serious? God sending wake up calls to us in the form of Earth quakes floods,.. God doesn't send that stuff. It is part of nature. Hurricanes happen for reasons that are as vital to our survival as they are destructive to our homes.
Nature has a plan much larger than us, and some people have learned how to affect nature, but even they are part of its plan. We are the componential consciousness of our planet, and its not over by a long shot. Each of us is bound to the "world soul" and are as undying as the planet.
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Are you serious? God sending wake up calls to us in the form of Earth quakes floods,.. God doesn't send that stuff. It is part of nature. Hurricanes happen for reasons that are as vital to our survival as they are destructive to our homes.
Nature has a plan much larger than us, and some people have learned how to affect nature, but even they are part of its plan. We are the componential consciousness of our planet, and its not over by a long shot. Each of us is bound to the "world soul" and are as undying as the planet.
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Matthew 24 4-8 "Jesus answered: †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¹¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œI am the Christ,†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.[b/] All these are the beginning of birth pains.
I think it is a sign. Of course this has been going on for quite a while but it does seem like more lately than before. You never know tho...
I think it is a sign. Of course this has been going on for quite a while but it does seem like more lately than before. You never know tho...
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me? You kidding? I'm not an evolutionist
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"
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We were posting @ the same time... /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Trash,
this verse says exactly the opposite of what you imply with it. it says
"hey make sure you keep your cool when people make bad predictions as *proof* of their divine providence... there will be civil wars, and bad storms, and light harvest years, and all of this stuff JUST happens... so when people come in saying "I am a messenger of God and this year, we will have a BAD winter... take heed. When people say "God curses you all, and the and earthquake wrecks havoc, take it in stride. They are completely off the path. The kingdom of God is not about this kind of ill portent custom of doom-saying and cursing nations. The Closing of the deal Mankind has with God is not even in sight."
I love how "Alla Telos esti oupo" becomes "All these are the beginning of birth pains." in your translation. What kind of hippy crap is that? This is not even a concept common to the Greeks, or the Jews.
Literally:
Alla - Moreover
Telos - The Thing by which a Thing is finished (closing deal, indirect taxes on goods, literally)
esti - is, are
oupo - not even begun, "not yet"
"Moreover, the End is not even begun."
and having nothing to do with
Pas esti arche ponoi ek genesis - "All these are the beginning of pains of birth."
which never appears in the gospel, and is some of the shoddiest scholarship i have yet to have quoted at me. The context of childbirth is completely inappropriate and "pseudo-ethnographic" interpretation is not even part of the culture of the peoples in question. Un fact, its a completely pagan concept, and has nothing to even do with the roots of th words.!
Interestingly enough, the word pain "ponos" never appears in the New Testament until the letters of Paul and the book of Revelations.
I advise you take that bible and see if you can trade it in for a book on Greek.
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raum
this verse says exactly the opposite of what you imply with it. it says
"hey make sure you keep your cool when people make bad predictions as *proof* of their divine providence... there will be civil wars, and bad storms, and light harvest years, and all of this stuff JUST happens... so when people come in saying "I am a messenger of God and this year, we will have a BAD winter... take heed. When people say "God curses you all, and the and earthquake wrecks havoc, take it in stride. They are completely off the path. The kingdom of God is not about this kind of ill portent custom of doom-saying and cursing nations. The Closing of the deal Mankind has with God is not even in sight."
I love how "Alla Telos esti oupo" becomes "All these are the beginning of birth pains." in your translation. What kind of hippy crap is that? This is not even a concept common to the Greeks, or the Jews.
Literally:
Alla - Moreover
Telos - The Thing by which a Thing is finished (closing deal, indirect taxes on goods, literally)
esti - is, are
oupo - not even begun, "not yet"
"Moreover, the End is not even begun."
and having nothing to do with
Pas esti arche ponoi ek genesis - "All these are the beginning of pains of birth."
which never appears in the gospel, and is some of the shoddiest scholarship i have yet to have quoted at me. The context of childbirth is completely inappropriate and "pseudo-ethnographic" interpretation is not even part of the culture of the peoples in question. Un fact, its a completely pagan concept, and has nothing to even do with the roots of th words.!
Interestingly enough, the word pain "ponos" never appears in the New Testament until the letters of Paul and the book of Revelations.
I advise you take that bible and see if you can trade it in for a book on Greek.
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And by the way, the subtlties of the bible verse you quoted me are full of a maening that never is seen in the English.
Seismos †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ shaking, trembling, commotion †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Earthquake†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? ; †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Tempest†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬?
Root: Seio †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ to throw into terror, to agitate the mind.
The Nature of the Storm
Etymology of Cristos:
Cristos †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ The Anointed One
Crio †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Anoint - Consecrate
Craomai †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Make use of; To take for one†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢s use; borrow
Cire †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“with assistance†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬?. (translated as †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Hand†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? in the NT)
Cimone †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Winter
Caosma †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ opening gap, (from the root Cao †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ a gap, to yawn)
Ceimone †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Stormy Rainy Foul Weather; Winter; Tempest
"The End"
†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Telos†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ The End †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ The Closing of the Deal. indirect tax on goods.
The Raging One, The Storms at sea caused by his anger.
His mother was named †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Cree," from the root Crio...
See this verse speaking of Storms and Earthquakes, and the nature of the Cristos and the end.
people, if you want to learn,.. learn to read. It sounds better in the Greek, and means much more.
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raum
Seismos †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ shaking, trembling, commotion †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Earthquake†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? ; †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Tempest†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬?
Root: Seio †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ to throw into terror, to agitate the mind.
The Nature of the Storm
Etymology of Cristos:
Cristos †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ The Anointed One
Crio †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Anoint - Consecrate
Craomai †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Make use of; To take for one†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢s use; borrow
Cire †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“with assistance†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬?. (translated as †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Hand†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? in the NT)
Cimone †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Winter
Caosma †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ opening gap, (from the root Cao †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ a gap, to yawn)
Ceimone †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ Stormy Rainy Foul Weather; Winter; Tempest
"The End"
†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Telos†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ The End †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬¦¢¢¬…œ The Closing of the Deal. indirect tax on goods.
The Raging One, The Storms at sea caused by his anger.
His mother was named †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Cree," from the root Crio...
See this verse speaking of Storms and Earthquakes, and the nature of the Cristos and the end.
people, if you want to learn,.. learn to read. It sounds better in the Greek, and means much more.
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QUOTEI advise you take that bible and see if you can trade it in for a book on Greek
I do have a Greek Bible but I haven't had any time to study it or really learn the language
I do have a Greek Bible but I haven't had any time to study it or really learn the language
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"
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