Freedom Against The Value of life of an Innocent

#1

As you all know there have been many freedom fights all over the world in many cases many failed attempts as well. In the process of attaining freedom there have been many lives lost. Many of them just following orders on both sides and many innocents who plunged to death as well. In the end freedom will be enjoyed by many generations however does it have more value then an innocents life ?

It is more like an ethical delima faced by the people. Whether to let their children live in fear and be ruled over then enjoy freedom. In the end it will be worth the fight, yes it is true, but does that freedom have more value then those lives lost of those innocent people?

#2

There must always be sacrifice...And whether or not we feel someone is deserving or not ultimately isn't up to us...I have kinda stopped thinking along those terms, because for one, fortune telling is a risky business...And what I mean by that is...

If you knew then, what you knew now about certain people, would you have cared that they died in their childhood...? We think that children are always innocent, and the loss of a child is almost alwasy tragic...But...Hitler for example...Would you have given a rats ass if his father had finally went overboard and beat him to death...?

Kinda puts a different light on things...This whole world is a big ball of scripted events, and each thing that takes places is the direct cause and effect of something else...It's that perpetual course of action that allows us to exist as we are...We just have to focus on moving forward, rebuilding, and trying to do better....

#3

You know this is a very difficult topic.

It depends on what freedom you would want. If you look at the recent attacks on major cities with no other intent then to hurt innocent people then I would say that it is most definitaly not worth it. I can not think of any case at the moment where it would be worth it.

In the end innocent people allways get hurt. One way or the other.

just my 2 cents.

#4

IMO The attacks success is not about how many people are killed, it's about the loss of freedom.
In the case of USA having the chance to look at the whole trouble from the distance is totally clear how it was affected, i'm not shure how aware are you about that. And freedom is proceless.

#5

There are no innocents. The exposure of innocence is a lie created by those who can not bear that man is a creature whose very survival depends on the persistence of death. NO ONE is innocent. And only those who afraid of the reality of life would dare think there is any level of existence where innocence is anything more than an ideal established as a coping mechanism to deal with the harsh reality of death.

that doesn't mean it always seems fair, but life is not fair, and never will be. because it is but one component of something that balances out with factors far more infinite than carnal existence.

In terms of freedom,.. those who work for it, shall enjoy it.

#6

and this is what happens when you give terrorists an inch of and to call their own...

GUSH ETZION, West Bank - Israel suspended contacts with the Palestinian Authority on Monday and slapped tough travel restrictions on the West Bank after Palestinian gunmen killed three young Israelis and wounded five in two drive-by shootings near Jewish settlements.

The attack near the Gush Etzion block of settlements on Sunday was the deadliest since July. It followed Israeli intelligence warnings that Palestinian militants, who claim they drove Israel out of Gaza by force, would now shift their focus to the West Bank. Israel pulled out of Gaza in September in a unilateral move.

The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group with ties to the ruling Fatah party, claimed responsibility. However, security officials said they believed the Islamic militant group Hamas might have been involved.

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In the first attack, militants racing by the Gush Etzion junction in a car opened fire at Israelis waiting at a bus stop and at others in nearby cars. Israeli rescue services said one Israeli died at the scene and two others died in the hospital. Two were young women, cousins ages 23 and 21, from a nearby settlement, and the other was a 15-year-old boy. Four Israelis were wounded.

WOW! it's a good thing we gave them their own damn country, so now they know that we will give them what they want if they stop attacking. Problem is it is giving them morale and MORE PEOPLE ARE JOINING THE INSURGENTS. I say we give Palestine, with the help of forensics scientists, one week to produce the people who committed this crime for publkic execution, as dictated in the Koran, and if they don't make serious progress in this... we imprison the state. Arrest anyone trying to leave, and monitor all border traffic.

Better do it now before the "insurgents" get weapons and communication lines. They could easily be overcome, except the fact that the Palestinian Govt. is already sympathetic with the militant Hamas.

I mean look at their friggin Anthem!!!

#7

The palestinian anthem has nothing but bloodshed and revenge in it. No prosperity, no community.

It ieven ends saying they will live as guerilla, die as guerilla...

The Palestinian National Anthem

My country , my country

My country , the land of my grand fathers

My country , my country

My country , my nation , the nation of eternity

With my determine , my fire and the volcano of my revenge

The longing of my blood to my land and home

I have climbed the mountains and fought the wars

I have conquered the impossible , and crossed the boarders

My country , my country , the nation of eternity

With the resolve of the winds and the fire of the guns

And the determination of my nation in the land of struggle

Palestine is my home , Palestine is my fire , Palestine is my revenge

and the land of eternal

My country , my country , the nation of eternity

I swear under the shade of the flag

To my land and nation , and the fire of pain

I will live as a guerrilla , I will go on as guerrilla ,

I will expire as guerrilla until I will be back
My country , my country , the nation of eternity

#8

Talk about subliminal messages.....

#9

and they are re-writing the entire history of the area, if you read their admissions of its history. They say that the Arab muslims were the same as the ancient Canaanites! ARGH!

idiocy and fanatacism and revenge and terrorism... that is all their state is built of. what could possibly go wrong?

#10

Not a thing... not a flippin' thing!