Kumicho wrote:
Did the the McCain ad say, "Age Appropriate" or did it say, "Learning about sex before learning to read?
It instructs kids in Developmental stages along metrics. you only quoted the first metric. Most of the 12 metrics have a level 1, which is age 5-8, which is arguably inclusive of Kindergarten to second grade. Some start later. Regardless of word recognition, vocabulary, and comprehension. Reading is a skill that is defined in the First grade by Language skills. This program includes knowledge of sex and anotomy from level 1 topic 1 key concept 1. That is age 5-8. The program was delivered to the media (Hardball) by Barak Obama, through delegates he assigned to help him represent himself and his opinions. This was an official press release, and thus needed his approval. I suspect he didn't read it in its entriety.
Can that seriously be defended..? Is supporting age appropriate sex (which doesn't just imply the act) education the same as saying 'learn about sex'..?
You can hate McCain, and you can say "it's not fair, he didn't say parents can opt their kids out." but no way you can say his ad is false.... even if it draws some extreme case rhetoric from the guidelines submitted by Obama. Better believe some teacher somewhere will decide to take this to extremes, and will possibly have the law on their side, depending on the quality of their lawyer.
How do you teach a 5-8 year old about the different parts of a woman or man's genitalia without pictures of diagrams. I mean scrotum and clitoris? really... *shudder*
The bill directly said comprehensive sex education from grades K - 12, and the prevention of STDs is mentioned before prevention of sexual abuse. This SCREAMS special interest.
The ad specifically says
"Legislation to teach "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners.
Learning about sex before learning to read? "
Reading comprehension analysis begins in the second grade. This program begins in grade K. If you feel the need to criticize the ad, at least make it a solid criticism, like they fail to mention, per the bill, a parent can opt their kid out of this, and they will not suffer academically. (If they even know about it. Many teachers hide the fact they start teaching sex ed. Some teachers are even teaching kids "organic" food is better for you... WTF, there is no proof.)
And to further the semantics, is this what is being argued:
1. Somewhere, in that document, there is explicit information that educators should teach children about sex..? In that document meant as a guide to educators about to how to base curriculum about said subject, there is a section that says something to the effect of "You have a penis, it goes into a vagina"..?
Yes or No..?
YES. READ THE DAMN THING. FROM COVER TO COVER - ALL THE INTRODUCTION AND ALL THE Level 1 of the 6 Key Concepts. Each one has several topics and they have introduction to everything from choice to reproduce to gender identity and sexual preference in there. I am not saying these are bad things, not at all. I think there should be sex ed. In Junior High. Parents can CHOOSE to teach their kids before then, and should, and there should a non-profit that will educate them (in guidelines like this) so they can be comprehensive. But not at the burden of tax dollars, and not as public education.
2. Barak Obama has said he believes that schools should be teaching kids, like his daughters, about sex..?
raum wrote:1- in defense of sex ed for all kids at planned parenthood, he neVeR once mentioned this was about preventing child abuse. he cited sTD's, and a focus on teaching abstinence.
That only makes sense if he was asked, "What do you think about teaching sex education to kindergardners..?" Obviously, a 7 year old getting pregnant or catching an STD from an 8 year old isn't what comes to mind when someone is talking about STD's or Abstinence...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xgl5NyI3s4
HE ENDORSED THIS PROGRAM. It is the "standard guidlines" for SB 99, and SIECUS was heard by the committee before voting and the guidelines were presented. He voted yes. He needs to stand up and say "I didn't know what was going on, and voted on a high level. But this is too extreme and thus we need better guidelines." or he has to say "I do endorse SIECUS and that's why by my written order, their guide that includes visceral (i.e. physical and anatomical and sophisticated sexual and social dynamics) should be introduced as early as possible into a public education cirriculum, as I affirmed in Planned Parenthood conference." Either way, it won't win him votes. He flubbed.
raum wrote:This document that he sent to the media in support of proof of effective age-appropriate sex ed is his to bear.
Where in the document is it ineffective in doing so, and where in the document does it condone teaching children in Kindergarten about sex..?[/quote]
Level 1 includes children from Ages 5-8. Thus is COULD APPLY TO (and is) inclusive of the age most children are in Kindergarten.
Key Concept 1 wrote:Level 1
• Each body part has a correct name and a specific function.
• A person’s genitals, reproductive organs, and genes determine whether the person is male or female.
• A boy/man has nipples, a penis, a scrotum, and testicles.
• A girl/woman has breasts, nipples, a vulva, a clitoris, a vagina, a uterus, and ovaries.
• Some sexual or reproductive organs, such as penises and vulvas, are external or on the outside of
the body while others, such as ovaries and testicles, are internal or inside the body.
• Both boys and girls have body parts that feel good when touched.
Key Concept 3 wrote: Level 1
Level 1
• Men and women have reproductive organs that enable them to have a child.
• Men and women have specific cells in their bodies (sperm cells and egg cells) that enable them to
reproduce.
• Reproduction requires that a sperm and egg join.
• Vaginal intercourse – when a penis is placed inside a vagina – is the most common way for a sperm
and egg to join.
• When a woman is pregnant, the fetus grows inside her body in her uterus.
• A woman can be pregnant with more than one fetus at a time.
• Babies usually come out of a woman’s body through an opening called a vagina.
• Some babies are born by an operation called a Caesarian Section.
• A woman’s breasts can provide milk for a baby.
• Not all men and women have children.
• People who cannot have children may choose to adopt.
Loot at every topic, in the dynamic of the key concepts, and view the level 1 guidlines. That is what they define as "Age appropriate" for ages 5-8. And Obama not only should have reviewed in in council, HE RELEASED IT AS ENDORSING IT and a reference to defining age appropriate comprehensive sex education.
For the record "bad touching" has its introduction in "Level 3, which by development is age 12-15; about six years after your kid learns people get aids from sharing needles.
Here's a hint, past the table of contents, the word "Kindergarten" doesn't even appear in the document, and even still, its said mostly in reference to the name of the book....................
I'll do you one better, this what the document says about the age group...
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Level 1
middle childhood,
ages 5 through 8;
early elementary school
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Developmental Messages:
Level 1
• Each body part has a correct name and a specific function.
• A person’s genitals, reproductive organs, and genes determine whether the person is male or female.
• A boy/man has nipples, a penis, a scrotum, and testicles.
• A girl/woman has breasts, nipples, a vulva, a clitoris, a vagina, a uterus, and ovaries.
• Some sexual or reproductive organs, such as penises and vulvas, are external or on the outside of
the body while others, such as ovaries and testicles, are internal or inside the body.
• Both boys and girls have body parts that feel good when touched.
Just to be clear now, one can gather from that, which says, "Developmental messages" and is not age specific, says, Let's teach kids about sex before they learn to read..? Seriously..? Even then that's not what this is about...
Did the ad say, Age appropriate, or did it say, "Learning about sex before learning to read"..? Simple question...
I am not saying it is wrong to teach children about life and love and family and fun. but drawing all those into one specific component of sex is just too soon. If this SAME exact guidline was used to demonstrate sex ed from grades 6-12 (like the bill said before 6 was struckout and K was added, I would support it.)