Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:02 pm
actually, I am embarrassed by the number of typos, but I am working on a firm deadline due today.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:09 pm
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:17 pm
ill write a proper reply when i get home, first of all, i know enough about my religion, i dont blindly follow it. You stood with a bunch of asses in San Francisco.
i'll address you more clearly when i get home. read what the people said on my link to the other forum.
i'll address you more clearly when i get home. read what the people said on my link to the other forum.
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:19 pm
Discussions are hard enough to follow on one forum, let alone 2...
Please, if you or anyone else wants to drop
on teh topic at hand, they are more than welcome to do so...But lets keep the discussion here, por favor, it just makes things easier...But, copying and pasting what that man said on another board uncredited and out of context, when he said it here (and you don't really know him, and they don't know him, and vice versa) makes no sense...
So, either invite them over, or not, whatever, I don't care, just leave their comments there, and these comments here out of respect for each poster to say the least...Thanks...
Please, if you or anyone else wants to drop
on teh topic at hand, they are more than welcome to do so...But lets keep the discussion here, por favor, it just makes things easier...But, copying and pasting what that man said on another board uncredited and out of context, when he said it here (and you don't really know him, and they don't know him, and vice versa) makes no sense...So, either invite them over, or not, whatever, I don't care, just leave their comments there, and these comments here out of respect for each poster to say the least...Thanks...
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:58 pm
CROSSPOST FROM HASIN's SITE
Ok, So I am the person who posted this to a forum that I help moderate. Some people decided to take it as an attack, who do not understand the use of the word MYTH in anthropology, which implies no form of presuming truth or falsity, but establishng meanigful criteria for religious identity. Ask anyone this word, even in its orgin, never implied that MYTH is fiction. I personally believe it is more important to examine in what way ANY myth is true, instead of looking for a worldly absolute. This is something all Mystics of ANY religion have stressed. I recall this was the very same outlook as Saladin, whom I regard as one of the greatest men who ever wore a crown.
Others decided to say I know SHIT, and I assure you I know more SHIT than can fit in your head, unless you are extremely learned.
I will again say these questions which enfuriated Hasin did not originate with me. I did add comments about my own disputes with the Muslim religion, as I have seen it practiced, in my introduction. I have lived with a first generation Afghani Muslim, and have no ill-will toward the religion of any given person. I have fasted for Ramadan in the Middle East, and i find it amusing most of my own reply to Hasin was cut; the part where I explained my own Sufi teacher. I do not bring a bias forward in general, against those who find Peace or Meaning in the Quran and its teachings. Still, the actions of thousands globally can not be justified by a book. It is the religions of the masses blindly followed that I bring to scrutiny. All I have seen of this is completely pacifying to thepersonal pains of individual trauma. Using any Religion as a crutch ensures you will never be strong enough to stand without it.
If you think attacking the Bible or the Torah, or the Epic of Gilgamesh, or even the Tao Te Ching, the Writings of Rumi, much less the sacred Kumulipo chant of the Huna priests will offend me, you are sadly mistaken. And yet, I have found value in all of these. Neither will attacking the flag of a nation, even America which I am a citizen of. As I have also found value in the Quran, though I do argue it is a composed book. As a biblophile, i feel quite capable to speak that with confidence. A secular and scholarly linguistic analysis will support my findings, as will the very comments by which its orgins are linked to Abu Bakr. Still, I am not here debating the content of the Quran, I am simply asking how can Muslims not unify under the banner of Solidarity that "the end does not justify the means." I am not trying to start a crusade, and I openly seek no muslim blood. In fact, i have prevented its shedding. Yet, how many Muslims have prevented Muslim bloodshed.
The resulting transformation found in a religious epiphany of any RELIGION does not leave people passive to the atrocities of the world. It simply does not speak with me that Muhammed would allow such chaos in his name to perpetuate. I suspect he would reserve a special lash of his scourge for those who spoke of bombing a hotel in the name of Allah, much less those who carried it out.
and I see no such conviction among the adherents of this religion for anything but vigilante action, which is simple ignoble of a instituion which had once been such a great contribution to the Global worldview.
I posted these questions asked by another to balance out my own criticism of Christians and to invite dialogue, and my disgust of many of the atrocities perpetuated in the name of a religion, no matter which.
My means for posting these questions was to add content quickly and spark dialogue. perhaps I shall find it here.
Ok, So I am the person who posted this to a forum that I help moderate. Some people decided to take it as an attack, who do not understand the use of the word MYTH in anthropology, which implies no form of presuming truth or falsity, but establishng meanigful criteria for religious identity. Ask anyone this word, even in its orgin, never implied that MYTH is fiction. I personally believe it is more important to examine in what way ANY myth is true, instead of looking for a worldly absolute. This is something all Mystics of ANY religion have stressed. I recall this was the very same outlook as Saladin, whom I regard as one of the greatest men who ever wore a crown.
Others decided to say I know SHIT, and I assure you I know more SHIT than can fit in your head, unless you are extremely learned.
I will again say these questions which enfuriated Hasin did not originate with me. I did add comments about my own disputes with the Muslim religion, as I have seen it practiced, in my introduction. I have lived with a first generation Afghani Muslim, and have no ill-will toward the religion of any given person. I have fasted for Ramadan in the Middle East, and i find it amusing most of my own reply to Hasin was cut; the part where I explained my own Sufi teacher. I do not bring a bias forward in general, against those who find Peace or Meaning in the Quran and its teachings. Still, the actions of thousands globally can not be justified by a book. It is the religions of the masses blindly followed that I bring to scrutiny. All I have seen of this is completely pacifying to thepersonal pains of individual trauma. Using any Religion as a crutch ensures you will never be strong enough to stand without it.
If you think attacking the Bible or the Torah, or the Epic of Gilgamesh, or even the Tao Te Ching, the Writings of Rumi, much less the sacred Kumulipo chant of the Huna priests will offend me, you are sadly mistaken. And yet, I have found value in all of these. Neither will attacking the flag of a nation, even America which I am a citizen of. As I have also found value in the Quran, though I do argue it is a composed book. As a biblophile, i feel quite capable to speak that with confidence. A secular and scholarly linguistic analysis will support my findings, as will the very comments by which its orgins are linked to Abu Bakr. Still, I am not here debating the content of the Quran, I am simply asking how can Muslims not unify under the banner of Solidarity that "the end does not justify the means." I am not trying to start a crusade, and I openly seek no muslim blood. In fact, i have prevented its shedding. Yet, how many Muslims have prevented Muslim bloodshed.
The resulting transformation found in a religious epiphany of any RELIGION does not leave people passive to the atrocities of the world. It simply does not speak with me that Muhammed would allow such chaos in his name to perpetuate. I suspect he would reserve a special lash of his scourge for those who spoke of bombing a hotel in the name of Allah, much less those who carried it out.
and I see no such conviction among the adherents of this religion for anything but vigilante action, which is simple ignoble of a instituion which had once been such a great contribution to the Global worldview.
I posted these questions asked by another to balance out my own criticism of Christians and to invite dialogue, and my disgust of many of the atrocities perpetuated in the name of a religion, no matter which.
My means for posting these questions was to add content quickly and spark dialogue. perhaps I shall find it here.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:49 am
sorry ayhja /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />
whatever i say would end up in anger cause i dont cope well in these kind of topics. *as you've seen in the past*
i told microshit to sign up here and reply, but raum signed up there and now they're discussing it there. Im out of it, I saw crap in my way, im walkin around it, not touchin crap and gettin my hands dirty
whatever i say would end up in anger cause i dont cope well in these kind of topics. *as you've seen in the past*
i told microshit to sign up here and reply, but raum signed up there and now they're discussing it there. Im out of it, I saw crap in my way, im walkin around it, not touchin crap and gettin my hands dirty
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:20 pm
You need to start a topic then, about why you don't cope well with these kinds of topics...We have a psychologist with a degree on board, you can get a free ride...Of course you know that I can't post on ieX without flaming, so I'll leave it at that, and pretty much just stay over this way...
IMO, far too many people are overly sensitive about issues, and really don't have a clue as to why...Just like the soldier burning topic you started, nobody read the post, they just flew in and started flinging shit... :roll:
IMO, far too many people are overly sensitive about issues, and really don't have a clue as to why...Just like the soldier burning topic you started, nobody read the post, they just flew in and started flinging shit... :roll:
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:27 pm
Come... let me pick your brain...
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:44 pm
correction, Ty, the "enemy soldier corpse burning"
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:23 pm
Well, whatever it was, it clearly was made to look like anything but war, and that got on my nerves...