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QUOTE(Lost Ghost)exorcism is real...I've talked to people who've witnessed it on missions in 3rd world counties....

And that means? Most of those 3rd world countries don't even have modern medical care. The "exorcism" could just be them suffering from a metnal disease.

Come on, where has there even been a real videotaped exorcism?

a mental disease? how ignorant can you be man? if you'd ignore your hate fest on me throughout the entire board...and read underneath where Raum said he's seen/done it too...then maybe you'd realize I'm not just making shit up here

here, this is the the breakdown:

What you think is more important "What you have faith in?" or "How much faith you invest?"

There is a particular religious bias in most modern stories of Exorcism, For example, do you similarly credit Exorcists or Daemonologists who prescribe to a different religious doctrine, or none at all, with the ability to cast out demons, or only Christians? For example, would you say a Taoist priest who exercises Kuei ("Hungry Ghosts" who feed on the living) has similar success to a Christian who casts out demons in the name of Jesus, or the Papa in haitii who spits rum, smoke cigahs, and dances like a catfish to bring the sight stealing mujandee out of the innocent child?

What of the Hebrew "Master of the Names" who dispels the Klipoth (Shells, or "Demonic husks") with the names of God found in the Pentateuch, even though he KNOWS the comon believed legends of it being wrtten by Moses are completely false, and that Moses was never a Jew? And yet the demons flee the power of the words?

Do you think these (or others) can these be used in conjuction, and what limitations have you personally experienced?

I ask because I have some well-defined understandings of certain paranormal and praeternatural phenomenon, having more than fifteen years of informal research, and even more years of study and several first-hand untested experiences, and a few honorary and official dictates and ordinations. I entertain my skepticism as well as my enthusiasm.

I personally use many cultural technologies, and discount much of what any culture offers...

My answer is those practices which are not inherently religious seem to be the real affecting factor. The overtly religious elements seem to be the most contrived, and usually, while impressive on paper, lack the conviction necessary to enact actual daemonic results. It is as though the strategy is inherent in the practices used, but the "faith" is the real "element" in the equation which determines success.

So now, let us ask, "is a demon real?" The answer is no,.. and perhaps yes.

Demons are not fixed in form. The word in Hebrew is "shedim", which means "Idolous Lord." Legend is that certain Beni-Elohim (Sons of Elohim, translated as sons of God) gave their gifts to man in exchange for the rights of worship, including female consorts. This greatly displeased Ha-Shem, who destroyed the world in the Deluge. It is part of the punishment the shedim incur to be formless and void as the waters of heaven (Maim Shemaim) washed away their forms in the first flood. They are hence denied of their own forms, and the forms they assume are molded by the forces they consume. By the power of *messiach* (whom Christians most commonly embody in a single man they call jesus), a shedim can be commanded to human form, which is a sign of the power of the exorcist, and allows for far more effective banishment of the forces,.. for it is a sign that the demon is compelled by the ratzon (ability to enforce the will of Ha-shem), and bound by the obligation of Ha-Shem (The God; YHVH whose name is not spoken) to hold Ha-Adam (the human) in authority over all beings, angelic or otherwise.

It is most unimportant what form they take, and to dwell too much in such forms is a trap they ay often use. For any form they take is but a perversion of a form that was once pure and is perverted by their presence. So, if a physical nervous system, becomes that which a demon inabits, they will pervert it. For all purposes, then, the demon is by its nature, not a physical being... it is a nonphysical being that desires a physical being, and will take any physical being it can. I would caution against vehement disbelief,.. but seriously would not try and have people dwell on such things. Pay attention to them, and you lend them credence. And for those who feel that there is a distinct line between mental and spiritual existence are sadly underexperienced in such things.

but as a rule, there are ways of determining such presences, that are not based soley on symptoms.

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