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Orson Smelles wrote:

raum wrote: that is unprecedented, and frankly, unpresidential.

Sustained! Totally Subjective.

The debate:
Gives uninformed voters the right to feel valid in their own stance in the popular election. The super bowl. Exciting, but not representative of the whole football season. None of the four candidates debate very well, or have a radically different stance on Foreign Policy than current policy. "Hussein vs. McSame" chanters (i.e. uniformed politicial enthusiasts) will be comforted about their prejudices, though.

The Congressional meeting:
prevents the next Great Depression, but needs to also protect the taxpayers' interest. Dangerously close to the election, and overshowing Foreign Policy (the subject of the debate) by leagues. Both candidates will need economic revisions to rebalance their budgets for an additional 700 Billion dollars in liability. Wall Congress up until they get a bill that will pass the President's desk. That is EXACTLY what the president tells congress to do, even suspending their recess to get it done.

What I think should be done:

Friday Night - If congress has come together on a bill, Let the TWO candidates announce it to the people, as a joint effort.... Then have the President approve it. All communication on that night should be a SOLEMN FUCKING OATH to not ever have this happen again, calling for complete regulation reform, and vow that certain people go to trial. (Mr. 90 million dollars in 6 years, and Lehman still goes bankrupt.)

If they haven't come up with a bill, focus the debate on the economy, and suspend talks of foreign policy, which just are not the major focus of the American people right now.

The problem is Obama wouldn't debate McCain before because of the late primary election of the Democratic party. Town-hall meetings would have been more useful than ever this time. Not doing them set the atmosphere for suspicion and slander, on the part of both candidates.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/ ... town_hall/

"I think that it's not realistic to do all 10 given all the campaigning that I have to do since we just finished our primary election," Obama said on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press.

Pardon me, but he turned down all 10 scheduled, because of his need to campaign, but can't drop one because the Congress needs to be walled up to prevent a Depression? That is sophmoric; particularly when it was he who called McCain and said they need to get together on this. Six hours later, when McCain suspended his campaign, and asked Obama to do the same.... Obama had a chance to finally show America that this was his leadership leading to a suspension of campaigning, when most undecided people in swing states are waiting to see how this turns out to vote.

Look at Pennsylvania right now. McCain did the right thing.

If I was him, I'd show up at the debate and say "Look, not a damn President who ever debated foreign policy in the Great Presidential Debate EVER did exactly what they said in the debate. Global issues effect policy in every term. Right now, we need to talk about the economy and uphold our promise to the American people to safeguard their tax-paid assets against Monopolies that were created by too many overlapping contigencies in vital markets that complicate oversight. I am going back to Congress, and solving that issue, or the only question of Foreign policy will be "How do we welcome our Chinese Overlords that we sell our debt when they come to cash in?"

Then, I'd walk off.

First and foremost, watch the whole interview. She did *ok* with alot of this.

Kumicho wrote:Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

This reeks of the same kind of grilling That Hilliary Clinton-crats tried to exploit with Kirk Watson (D-Tx) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0

Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

Couric: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

This is not true. He NEVER called for more regulation, he called for more oversight. That is not the same. As a Sr. Regulatory Reporting Specialist, I know this well. Regulation is not what is needed.... OVERSIGHT is. And auditing and revisions of regulatory conventions to afford greater oversight is key to the true role of the governement in prevention of market manipulation.

Palin: He's also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about - the need to reform government.

True as this may be, it is a filler "talking point" and only makes her look bad. Her handlers probably told her if you feel nervous (very easy to feel nervous), exude confidence and use talking points to get back to your zone. Obama used to do this when he started, too. It is a typical move, but not a good idea to use this late in the race when your competence is under scrutiny. Bad play. HORRIBLY WORDED.

Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this?

Say, NO. Then say "John McCain has been in Congress for 26 years. Regulatory structures have changed very little in that time. Without proper reform on the books, which no president before George W. Bush really enforced, it was ineffective, inefficient, and inaccurate. I am not sure if Bush really deserves credit for calling for Regulatory reform because alot of the reform has really been indicative of our move into the Information Age. Even in 2008, there is not a standard platform for our regulatory requirements across the industries of America, and information that can be automated and captured in real-time is complicated by the fact that much of this information for the last fifty years exists in paper form in unmanned warehouses where it is simply not available, or compliant with today's business conventions."

Hell, SOMEONE write me in on your ballot.

Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.

Great, please do so AFTER you answer the damn question. (preferably as above.)

Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.

"Katie, He didn't! Why would he until there is specific reform as to what kind of oversight is needed, and THEN AND ONLY THEN should regulation be effected into policy. The word Regulation to some implies "security", when in fact, it just really means "false security." We need to take the summaries of Regulatory Data, and see what really offer us in terms of stability. Much of the Regulation passed in the last 26 years simply doesn't do ANYTHING but deter criminal activity without informing the Govt. of the actual criminal activity that is still committed. That is what we need to stop. But we have to make it feasible for businesses to comply with the information requests and this is going to call for a standard information platform, which most business will simply not be able to accomodate without tremendous exposure."

Instead, she says...

Palin: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.

The rest of the interview went pretty well, and she made some real powerful impressions for a few moments, but that one last statement is a sign that even if she is ready for Office, she is not ready for the Journalists. Obama was that way when he started out, with his own statements when he asked to be given a break, or defended his ignorance of a subject with "I aready answered some of your questions."

Being ready for the cameras is not being ready to lead, but it greatly swings the popular vote.

Sorry Palin, you don't get a pass on this one. If I were Katie Kouric, I would start a stopwatch on my website of how long it takes her to get back to me with some examples. She said she would bring them, let her deliver!

raum wrote:mcCain is going to washington to focus on making sure this bill includes provisions for the security of tax dollars used. It cannot afford to pass without it.

.....right.... :laff:

Kumicho wrote:

raum wrote:mcCain is going to washington to focus on making sure this bill includes provisions for the security of tax dollars used. It cannot afford to pass without it.

.....right.... :laff:

I know you are skeptical, but actually this is common ground both of the Senators are standing on. Obama and McCain both agree this can't be a handout. more good could be done with giving each American 5,000 dollars if we just want it to be cured with a handout, and that would be about 2 billion less than the 700 billion being proposed. Also, you may not realize the pull McCain has in Congress, but he does, and generally speaking he is one of the good guys, in relation. He is a very influential man, across party lines.

IF ANYONE WANTS A LESSON IN REGULATION AND OVERSIGHT, LET ME KNOW.

I have been doing it for a decade across many agencies and industries. 5 in the power industry. Want to see why your power bill goes up? Know what that extra tax on your phone bill is? Tired of the phrase "subsequent charges" accomapined with a 3 dollar surcharge on your credit card statement? These are all because of failed attempts at regulation and there is still no oversight.

McCain was scheduled to go on Letterman...Called Dave and said, "I can't go, I have to head to Washington ASAP..." Dave is a little spurned, but imagine his thoughts when the cameras showed McCain still in the city, getting make up put on his face to go on Katie Couric...

Another, unnecessary, bald face lie...

Presidential behavior indeed...

Kumicho wrote:McCain was scheduled to go on Letterman...Called Dave and said, "I can't go, I have to head to Washington ASAP..." Dave is a little spurned, but imagine his thoughts when the cameras showed McCain still in the city, getting make up put on his face to go on Katie Couric...

Another, unnecessary, bald face lie...

Presidential behavior indeed...

1. That is presidential. HOWEVER, the way you handle this is you send your second to replace you. "Dave, I can't make it. Congress needs me. I got to go on Couric to let America know why I am suspending Campaign, shore up against doubt. I will try and get back to you after the debate, which will be another week at most. Palin is coming in my stead tonight, though. That is what a vice president does." Letterman made a good point about that. So again, cancel Letterman, Presidential. Not sending VP, Unpresidential. She has to fill in at a moment's notice, even by teleconference. I will give her a pass for being Green to the grounds, but McCain is needed as a Congressman with great influence, Obama is needed (to a lesser degree) as a Congressman (albeit with less pull, but as much vested in the decision as McCain.) Palin, not a Congresswoman. She can hold the fort. Biden, who even knows where he is?

2. It is likely a spin Letterman is putting on a phone call that was more likely less pointed. His bias is scathing, and his pride is legendary. He also loves a reason to roast someone. Letterman is also full of himself, and it tickles him pink.

3. McCain made fun of himself on Saturday Night Live. He is not afraid of Letterman. He just doesn't have time to spare. I don't blame him.

4. Couric was damage control. Plain and simple. She was comfy with Biden, and Obama has been one of her favorite words, and Palin was led into a talk about the Great Depression, by Couric, which Couric then scolds McCain for his VP candidate talking about. That was BS, Katie, and you know it.

Also, even Bill Clinton responded well to the notion of suspended campaigning...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... in-debate-

I just watched Couric's interview on Foreign Policy with Palin. Oh my god, that wench's view is so simplistic & ignorant: Good Guys/Bad Guys. She's basically Dubya in a skirt. She'd blindly allow the yids to launch a nuke attack on Iran if that was their intent. She would not have talks with that nation's prez w/out pre-conditions & misqouted Kissinger while smudging her lipstick yet again. Her excuse for not seeing other parts of the world was that she learned about it via books & media & that she worked. I'm sorry, Having a job(s) is no damn excuse. That tart scares the living shit out of me. If someone like her gets into the Oval Office or one step from it, she'll alienate America even further from the rest of the globe.

mcain has promised victory in Iraq...i think Pallin may have also, am I the only one who see's something majorly wrong with leaders(would be) promising victory in war????????????????

blixa wrote:mcain has promised victory in Iraq...i think Pallin may have also, am I the only one who see's something majorly wrong with leaders(would be) promising victory in war????????????????

Hooray, let's go off Topic and talk about that mean old thing called War that has existed since the first days of mankind.

EVERY candidate has vowed for victory in Iraq. and despite his soapbox, not even Obama is calling for a full withdrawal.

And while you might question what we did in Iraq, if you think there was no threat... you are totally mistaken.

Here is some declassified documentation of pre-Gulf War munitions that were retained in violation of the UN. http://politicscentral.com/audio/2006/0 ... 083106.pdf

We have since found many things which are violations, some which do show more recent production,.. and documentation of Sarin, Cyclosarin, and Tabun gases are more than enough to validate action against Hussein.

We also proved that they had retained 550 metric tons of Yellowcake Uranium. Yellowcake is naturally occurring uranium, and easist to weaponize.

But we removed that 550 metric tons of Yellowcake, and have discovered and destroyed or contained over 1,000 Weapons of mass Destruction that didn't get mobilized to Syria along with the rest.

So please, do the math:

550 metric tons of Uranium
+ Steel cetrifuge facility primed for activity.
+ thousands of Aluminum Tubes primed for disposition and possible distribution.
+ Proximity Fuses that have already been found in use throughout Iraqi Munitions.
= Dirty Nuclear Artillery than can be loaded and detonated in the back of a truck, or downscaled into a backpack.

But let me guess -with all this evidence the war was still a big lie, huh? Sober up.

fuck! :roll:

Que significa (Tratando de obviar el sarcasmo al que pudiera alentar el post anterior y mi propia estupidez):
Aún siendo cierto lo mencionado por Romualdo en el post anterior, no valida de ninguna manera la acción ni el método empleado. Además que, sorprendentemente, este tipo de acciones son tomadas arbitrariamente sobre objetivos, oh casualidad, a los que perfectamente se les puede atribuir otros intereses estratégicos.
Si las inspecciones de la ONU no recogen evidencias, hay que mejorar el método de estas inspecciones, no actuar a pesar de ello solo por que se tenga el iluminado conocimiento/conviccion de que esas pruebas existen.
Esto sienta un precedente que a cualquier estado a pesar de cumplir las normas, se les camina por encima por la arbitraria sospecha de un tercero al cual no le parecieron relevantes el dictamen del organismo que fuera parte.
Tal vez todo se deba a que tanto el enfasis en la satisfaccion de pertenecia como el autoconvencimiento, hijo de no tener contacto fronterizo con otros pares, les dificulta la modesta tarea de analizar los temas desde el lugar del otro.

[Hermano colombiano: si en algun punto comparte lo expresado y gusta compartir su pensamiento en el idioma sajon con los otros miembros me gustaria tenga a bien hacerlo, en este momento no tengo ganas de traducir mi opinion. Porque justamente el ponerse del otro lado del idioma, para quien desee conocer mi opinión, sería un sano ejercicio de humildad]