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^ That's all I'm saying... ^

Again, even in keeping with the provisions that the bible has presented us, God created man in his image, why feel the need to give him all these unbelieveable powers..? It makes no sense to give him all these amazing qualities, when it wouldn't be rational for him to have them...I am not saying that God isn't powerful...God is amazing..! But if you were the best baseball player in the world trash, would you spend your time playing little league baseball..? There are so many other variables to consider when it comes to God, it doesn't even make sense...

I choose not to just throw my hands up in the air and say that I don't understand why god does what he does...To me, that is a cop out...I would like to think that God does what makes sense...As it pertains to humans...You wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you're simply bored outta your mind...To me, it makes sense that the Gods created man not knowing what would come of it...That gives them reason to want to see man do well...That gives them reason to have us show them love and respect...

And the angels are important, because they show that God isn't alone...God has beings that are similar to him, among him...And if that is the case, then that is all the more reason to believe that there are other Gods...Every star in the universe has a solar system just like ours does...And if it makes sense that it is improbable for us to be the only life here in the universe...How is this different..?

What I REALLY think, is that the Gods have long gone from this planet...They came here, created life, and went on about their universal business...Maybe they'll come back some day, and maybe not...But I think that once we come to understand space travel and the intricate nature of DNA, we'll be out and about, doing the same thing....

Ive got to think on a response but i cant resist saying this becouse of ayhja's last thought.If you wanted to look at this stuff from a purely natural stand point what if we are the planets ultimate creation becouse we are its seeds.Some day we will go into space bringing with us the ability to creat this same type of life on other planets.

So we would thus create a life of a lesser form then us and indoubtably be acting as god and would thus we would be known as god by this new creation....?

QUOTEAt tt;

So what you are saying is that god knows all. he knows that we will commit sin. he knew that Eve would be tempted by the forbidden fruit and then would actually devour it and still punished adam and eve for it?

So basically giving us a choice is a mere illusion created by god so that he can play with us? This theory links up to the matrix ...

The thing is TT, that you have conditioned yourself into believing that by definition god is omnipotent and omniscient. It takes a lot to get out of that conditioning and to think things with an open mind.


Yes and No to what you're saying. Yes, that means that he knows we will commit sin. Does that mean he's playing with us? No. I also believe in the opposite. If there is good then there has to be evil (i.e. a Devil). I believe that the Devil can get people to do things also that would be considered sin. God ultimately has control and allows that evil go happen for a greater purpose. I have no idea what that purpose is, but I know that it's gonna have to be good.

Yea, I have conditioned myself into that definition of God, but I've done it for a good reason. I've done some studying and really believe that God is omnipotent and omnisicient. It's not something that I believed blindly

QUOTE(Deepak)So we would  thus create a life of a lesser form then us and indoubtably be acting as god and would thus we would be known as god by this new creation....?

Precisely..!

If you read certain passages in the bible, you'd swear up and down they were talking about an episode of star trek...It is not as far fetched as an idea as it would seem, really...

Trash, the fact you believe something blindly...And it makes sense to you...Shit, I can't respond to that, LoL...That means you love her and you're gonna marry her, and don't care who fucked her in the ass while she blew four or five other guys and they got it all on tape when she told you she went to the mall...

I find that kind of trait admirable, cause I can't begin to say I trust in anything that much...

First of all ill just say for the recrord my last post was just a thought not a belief.Also based on the last couple of posts i think its safe to say weve all put some thought into what we believe . I dont see how you could say trash is making decisions blindly and your not.Its completly a matter of opinion to say your beliefs are more logical than his.

..Heres my thoughts on the other stuff..

There seems to be a defference of opinion on what god is.If you believe he is..super human guy.. than much of what ayhja says would make sense.Christion jew and muslem believe god is pure spiret.Human beings are saddled with fear, anger, lust and all sorts of animal instinces.God doesnt function with those things.You have to except what a christion believes god is before you can make sense of the bible and even than it takes a lot of time to get it right.What youre doing is taking youre version of god and forcing it into the bible which makes no sense.If you went to a buedest teacher to be taught there path would you insist on bringing with you a christion version of god.No....you would have to exept there version in order to understand there writings and move along the path that has been made

...At ayhja..."God made us in his image"...Your useing this to say we are just like god only much smaller.We are the bit size versions of god therefore why give him additional powers.The key word here is image.That usually means what some thing looks like.A sculpter could creat some thing that looks exactlly like you but it would not be you in any other way than physical apperence.God is pure spiret.. we are a whole mess of other stuff..

..The baseball thing...Super human god...Why play with us cause we're a wimpy version of him.We bore him.We present no chalenge to his mind........Christion version of god...pure love ...he created us to reflect back his love.Star dust cant feel love; we can.We have all felt love and its never boring.

....Angels...How angels came to be has no barring on my relationship with god Im not giving up my ability to ask questions in this one area.I just dont see the importance in this case.Its one of those things like what is heavan like that you could never know untill your dead.If it were important for you to know about angels before you could link up with god he would have explained it better.I dont know how my microwave works but it does stuff for me every day.So does god.He gives you every thing you need to have a relationship with him..Saying you dont believe in some thing becouse of one very small part is throwing up your hands and giving up without ever alowing your self to explore it.

....At deepak..(from whom i stole this at thing)..("If he knew that we are going to turn out this way ... then why didnt he just create the world as it right now, and if he knows how the world is going to end, why create the world at all?")

.God is called the creator becouse thats what he does.I think the bible talks about god working within certain laws that dictate how the universe and everything in it comes to be.Yes he created these laws but hes also bond by them.Every thing before us had to take place in order to get to us.He created the universe to creat us to reflect love back to him.Love creats more love.

TT, if god is the ulimate being then why does it have duality ? If he is in control then why does evil ie the devil exist?

The thing is we are all contemplating theories and nothing more. None of us are more right then the other but here we are trying to determine if there is a greater good or a greater force at play.

AT highlife;

If he is the all mighty and all powerful, then why is god the creator who created everything beyond those laws and then created those laws to govern over us unable to operate outside those laws?

If you have a look he is already working outside the normal constraints that govern us as human beings.

Who is to say that he created us in love. I remember a scene from MIBII right at the end, in which the alien being was playing with marbles which was actually a galaxy and within our galaxy there were many more.

Why is it so hard to believe like there are creatures that are less intelligent then us on our planet that some day we could be creating creatures as well and then being pronounced as god.

Technologically we have been able to splice human DNA, we are discovering more knowledge everyday. We once believed that the world was flat. What we belive today might not be what we believe tommorow.

@ highlife

I didn't say that trash believed that he was believign something blindly, if you check it out, those were his own words....What I am saying is...I believe God is pure energy/spirit...But I also believe he has a way in which he sees himself...I mean to create, he would have to, right..? You weren't here to read them all, but we have tossed around the idea of a multi-dimensional space, which puts God above and beyond our own 3 dimensions...This is why God had to walk through the Garden, he could not exist in his 'normal' form while in a 3 dimensional space...I have a mental construct of what that is like somewhere on the forum...But to make a long story short, it would be the same as if you created humans that lifed in a shoe box, and they had knowledge and sensation of right to left, and north to south, but not a way to see or sense up an down...By them being 2 dimensional beings, they don't even realize a 3rd dimension...But to you, it is clear as day...Just like the 4th dimension and beyond, are as clear to the Gods as day...

In order to exist in their plane, we'd have to change shape...We'd be the burning bushes, and the voice in the clouds...Because it would be practically impossible to exist on their level as you are...You could not be percieved...And thus, be at a loss for some of your abilities...

As Deepak said, we are moving towards cloning and being able to produce our own human beings...If we figure out space travel...Some other race of beings will be writing their bible, and talking about "chariots of fire swooping down" to get men of great status...

QUOTETT, if god is the ulimate being then why does it have duality ? If he is in control then why does evil ie the devil exist?

The thing is we are all contemplating theories and nothing more. None of us are more right then the other but here we are trying to determine if there is a greater good or a greater force at play.


I think you're saying 2 different things here. What do you mean by duality?

I believe that evil must exist in order for there to be good. It's known as the Law of Opposites. There cannot be a 'yes' without a 'no' or 'yes' would have no meaning. If everything was good then we wouldn't know that it was good and in essence wouldn't give the glory to God, which is ultimately what He wants.

The only way to know exactly what is going to happen is if it is only you who is influencing things. If you keep adding a lot of other variables into that equation then you can only predict with a certain success rate and not certainity ...

For god to be knowing everything he has to be the only one who is playing this game, ie him being the only influence.

It kinda ties in with A's theories that satan was one of the fallen angels.