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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:46 am
by Aemeth
Hades is where the dead live. Gehenna is where the forsaken burn. Got it?
was this all truth? or are u just helping us understand the diff?
If so, do ppl actually "burn". I mean how could they?
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:09 am
by raum
Deeje,
check this, in real life "Ge-Hinnom" (Gehenna) is the Valley of Hinnom, Ge-Hinnom means "Valley of Lamentation" which is a real dump where dead animals and the corpses of those who have no funds or family to ensure themself a burial are burnt, and left to rot. It is called the valley of Lamentation because screams would echo from the valley. Often people were "thrown into the pit" alive (not always by mistake), or a body would die in public and would be taken to Ge-Hinnom before the family could claim it. The family would then shriek and howl at the fact that their member was "cast down" as such as those who rot and burn.
This is supposed to be a bad place, as you can probably tell. This is where the remains of the First city of Jerusalem were dumped and burnt. This is a real place, and you can easily locate it on a map of bible history.
However, it was not always bad. It is older than the Jewish occupation of Israel, and was clearly a Caananite sacred shrine that was long ago desecrated. It is believed that the Phoenicians had special offerings and sacrifices to Melek here; likely of those who were terminally ill, or born with tragic defects. Melek is a Caananite deity to whom the Phoenix (as the Macedonias called it) is sacred . His name means King, and the Hebrews adopt its use, and the root of all its words. In fact, in the Bible, it is acceptable to call God the Melek. Melek is he who rebirths the dead through the flames of life; Essentially the sun. His priesthood was a great influence to the cult of Mithras, as well as that of Osiris, and also the Essenes, which Jeshua became when he accepted their Initiation ritual; i.e. the Baptism. The Phoenician name for this valley is a secret, not revealed lightly.
to confirm I am not just "coming up with this" because people have been asking me for sources lately, I found this on Bible-history.com, though I had no idea the site existed, and did nto use this as a source. I just went from my own "sources"...
The earliest mention of the valley of Hinnom is in Josh 15:8; 18:16, where the boundary line between the tribes of Judah and Benjamin is described as passing along the bed of the ravine. On the southern brow, overlooking the valley at its eastern extremity, Solomon erected high places for Molech (1 Kings 11:7), whose horrid rites were revived from time to time in the same vicinity by the later idolatrous kings. Ahaz and Manasseh made their children "pass through the fire" in this valley (2 Kings 16:3; 2 Chron 28:3; 33:6), and the fiendish custom of infant sacrifice to the fire-gods seems to have been kept up in Topheth at its southeast extremity for a considerable period (Jer 7:31; 2 Kings 23:10). To put an end to these abominations the place was polluted by Josiah, who rendered it ceremonially unclean by spreading over it human bones and other corruptions (2 Kings 23:10,13-14; 2 Chron 34:3-5). From that time it appears to have become the common cesspool of the city, into which its sewage was conducted to be carried off by the waters of the Kidron, as well as a laystall, where all its solid filth was collected. From its ceremonial defilement and from the detested and abominable fire of Molech, if not from the supposed everburning funeral piles, the later Jews applied the name of this valley Ge Hinnom, "Gehenna," to denote the place of eternal torment. The name by which it is now known is Wadi Jehennam, or Wadi er Rubeb. See Gehenna; Hell.
Note, the Christians love to delude themselves, but linguistic study of ancient proto-hebrew script prevails. "Molech" and Melek have the exact same consonants M.L.K., and are spelled the exact same. For, "purist" reasons, after the revision of the Tanakh, Rabbis started pronouncing it differently in reference to the Phoenician deity, which was certainly pronounced the exact same as "Melek."
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:24 am
by Aemeth
Ooooohk, I gotcha, thanks
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:22 pm
by Pete
Yes, thanks too for clarifying that adiriel.