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USC to return Bush’s Heisman

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The University of Southern California will return the Heisman Trophy won by former star tailback Reggie Bush in 2005, incoming university president C.L. Max Nikias announced Tuesday.

Nikias delivered the news in a memorandum, adding that he has instructed the athletic department to remove murals of Bush and former basketball star O.J. Mayo from university grounds. Improper benefits taken by Bush and Mayo during their time at USC prompted wide-ranging NCAA sanctions leveled against the school last month.

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In a word..? Ridiculous...
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Why do you say ridiculous?

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Dumb and pointless. And to late. All this is a bunch of old white dudes rubbing each others backs so they can get more money before the next "scandal".
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^ In more than a word, lol ^

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what was he supposed to have done?

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Not to provide or level any judgment or justification, just using common sense...

1. How does taking something from an agent help you run faster, hit harder, catch better, etc...What does any of that have to do with what happens on the field..?

2. This is UNPRECEDENTED...Who does the NCAA think they are..? OJ was on trial for a fucking double murder, and is in jail now, why not ask him to give back his Heisman..?

3. What does this prevent..? More than that, how does this nullify the fact that Reggie won the award..? He's rich...He can pay to have another one made in a heartbeat if he wanted...So fucking stupid...

4. The NCAA has been pimping student athletes for decades and decades...I'm sure they're not perfect people, morally or professionally...What difference does any of this make for anything..? How does punishing the school and future students responsible for whatever behavior they're accused of when they've long gone and made their fortunes count as justice..?

Just a travesty on so many levels, has little to do with my being a fan of Reggie...

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The reason, from my understanding, that they're taking it away is because no player can rightfully win the award if they are found to not be complying to all the rules of the NCAA. Because they found out he was not, he is no longer eligible for the award, and cannot win it.

To go point by point:

1. It doesn't. But college athletes don't play the game to win the Heisman, they play to get to the next level, and to mentally and physically prepare themselves (as best they can) for being in the professional leagues. I think VY deserved it that year anyway, but it's not like people are going to forget he existed or did great things in college, his highlights will live on forever. They're just following the rules.

2. How does OJ relate to this at all? Everything he did was WELL after his college playing days. They're not punishing Reggie for being a bad guy...they're taking action on him breaking the rules while he was in college.

3. For all the things you just said, I don't see why this is such an outrage. The only angle through which I can see someone thinking this is unacceptable is that it would in some way harm Bush...but you think (as does pretty much everyone else, myself included, from what I gather) that the dude is just fine collecting his paychecks and polishing that superbowl ring...heisman or not.

4. What else are they supposed to do? Just let it go entirely? While we all know this same type of shit probably goes on under the table everywhere...and has since the beginning of time....if you get caught doing it, you gotta pay some sort of penalty. My issue is that it appears you think absolutely nothing should be done about it... Is that the case?

I'm aware it's all sort of stupid, and for appearances, and doesn't really make a bit of actual difference....but they're just following protocol and the rules of the NCAA. Of all the big name schools, it appears USC has been cropping towards the top for this type of shit... and sooner or later they had to bring the hammer down in order to take a public stance against it and ensure the public that they're doing something about it...or are at least marginally concerned about it.

(and I'm just trying to play devil's advocate)

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The Heisman is a joke anyway. Look at players that have gotten it and have failed at the next level, or didn't even earn it at the college level. I am still baffled at how Troy Smith won it. The Buckeyes have one of the most dull and boring offenses I have ever seen. It's their defense that constantly dominates games. Brady Quinn had a much better year statistically than Smith.

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3,426 yards, 61.9 completion percentage, 37 TDs, 7 INTs

Troy Smith
2,542 yards, 62.7 completion percentage, 30 TDs, 6 INTs

Anyway, although I hated USC that year I think that Reggie Bush earned every award he got. As long as he didn't take performance enhancing drugs, I'm good with that.
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Yeah dude, that's my point...The award is so damn political, only a handful of people who play the game have a shot at winning it, let alone actually doing the deed...As long as he didn't get an advantage on the field, I couldn't care less...I'm sure that is a reasonable trade off for the advantages the fat cats get in their bank accounts...

And Drew going along with your decision to play the DA, I'll go along, though I'm tempted to just quote you, "I'm aware it's all sort of stupid, and for appearances, and doesn't really make a bit of actual difference...." and call it a day, lol...But this is healthy...

1a) "But college athletes don't play the game to win the Heisman, they play to get to the next level"

Ahem, they technically play for their scholarships and/or education, the next level is a dream 99% of them will not reach...The next level is an option, but by no means a viable option for most student athletes...That being said, it would make more sense to give the award to someone who has no shot at making it to the NFL...That way, this is less likely happen...

How does OJ relate to this at all?

Its easy, just consider what the rules are and why they are in place...They are not fair or partial to student athletes...My tone is to imply that its some sort of moral reasoning behind it...Think about this, how much time do you think the average student athlete at a high powered, high earning program has to work a job to put money in his pocket..?

Is it so far fetched to believe a poor kid from Mississippi, who doesn't have shit but the talent to play football couldn't be blamed for someone letting him borrow their car to get around..? What about a nice suit to wear to a school formal..? Consider this story from 2006:

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LOS ANGELES -- The NCAA reinstated Dwayne Jarrett's eligibility on Wednesday, so the USC All-American wide receiver will not miss any games for the Trojans.

Jarrett, a junior, was declared ineligible earlier this summer because he did not pay full rent on an off-campus apartment he had shared with teammate Matt Leinart. Leinart's father paid the balance of the rent.
Sure, I realize it probably wouldn't have gotten that serious, but if your roommates dad pays your rent, that's a fucking NCAA violation...For what..? If your roommate's mom is nice enough to spot you some cash to pay the damn rent, what's the harm in that..? Nothing right..? But if you're a student athlete, its a problem...Many of the rules they have are to prevent a sort of devious subculture that I would probably not like in college sports...But so many of these things are inappropriate, it just makes no sense...

Just cause an asshole graduates with you and is thinking only about self can be the difference between you being a tweener, but on the college team you've been dreaming about your whole life, and being relegated to playing local ball, if any at all...

So, why not just call a spade a spade, and hold all Heisman winners accountable for their actions for life...
Drew wrote:if you get caught doing it, you gotta pay some sort of penalty.
Like I said, tell Reggie Bush he has to pay a fucking fine...Hold him accountable for it...If he's guilty, let him get whatever he deserves...Develop contracts, that say something like, "If you take this award while knowingly committing any NCAA violations, you will be subject to severe financial penalties..."

It's like the fines for throwing trash on the highway...Most will get away with it, but the motherfucker that gets caught will be a missionary for the environment like no other...You can't have federal officials, whose sole job is to scour the highway for trash, bring the hammer down on the local government and its current and future inhabitants...That's almost unconstitutional if you ask me...How can you hold an entire town hostage on the grounds that some asshole just passing through didn't care about the city ordinance against pollution..?

How the fuck can a coach know that a rich Tennessee booster slipped his financially strapped star QB $1400 in a crowded night club..? The rules are justifiable in some cases, but not well read or intentioned in most others...Sometimes, like maybe in Reggie's case, its unnecessary to be in the situation...Something should be done about it, but do the right thing you know..? Coaches or students wrecking a program for everyone else, that's just not fair, and goes against everything the NCAA is supposed to be about...

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Like A is saying This mess aint nothing but politics. It makes no sense to punish USC now for what bush did back then.

Either punish bush directly or punish the people who directly helped bush to cheat.

Basically your screwing kids now at USC for past sins.
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