Star Wars Saga and Universe : General Discussion

#1

Obviously, I am a SW junkie...And it's serious...

ROTJ was the first movie I ever saw in a theater...My eyes were streaming water, and my dad asked me if I was crying...I told him no, and then he realized that my eyes were watering because I wasn't blinking...I literally remember holding them open because I didn't want to miss anything...

For the past couple of weeks, I have been hunting and collection the original trilogy, the new trilogy, and everything inbetween...w00t!

So, I am wondering if any of you other AF'ers are junkies, and want to hob nob about some of the things in the movies or books...Not so much as movie critique, but favorite characters, who is most powerful, etc...Any and everything SW...

#2

If I am not mistaken ROTJ was my first also, maybe it was Planet of the Apes during one of those summer movie deals for kids, I can't remember. Anyway I get on the SW kicks myself and sit down and watch the triology then start back with episode 1 then 2. Haven't bought 3 yet though I saw it in the theatre. ROTJ and episode 3 I would say are my absolute favorites. 3 kicked ass from the beginning till the end! Yoda I would say is my favourite character, but not until I saw him whoop some ass in 2 and 3. Luke is my second just because he's the real shit. Wish I still had all my figures from a kid.

#3

Man, you HAVE to see the Clone Wars cartoons...They are awesome...Shit, I hope they do more, there is still so much more to the story that can be told...The anime's were an excellent way to showcase some nice moves by lots of the other Jedi, including Mr. Mace...

Once I saw the cartoons, I had little doubt in my mind who the baddest Jedi was...I'm about to watch Episode III again, you're right man, it is awesome...

Kinda sucks tho, cause I am finally starting to understand how powerful Anakin was...He and a Mace Windu are very similar, in terms of combat and force power...Anakin just lacked the maturity to handle his awesome skills...I am looking to get into the expanded universe abit, and learn about post ROTJ Luke, who I am told is the man to know...

#4

I'm not that into Star Wars, but I think it's cool. I've never seen an episode of Star Trek, and somehow don't want to, I reckon that Star Wars is cooler.

My uncle though happens to be a big Star Wars junkie, he even bought me alot of stuff from the 6th episode Return of the Jedi. Yeap, I've got a ROTJ beanbag, pillow case, mattress cover, blanket, and blow-up buggie. I was only really little when I got them, and in fact nearly forgot all about Star Wars apart from that it was a space fiction movie with a little green guy with funny ears, R2D2 and C-3PO, lightsabers, something about the Force, Darth Vader, and those little furry guys called Ewoks....until 1999!

My Earth Science department had some real SW junkies, they made a short film called "Staff Wars" featuring one part of the department against the other, based off things in the films. Eg. "Soft Wocks" for Ewoks (sedimentologists), Tim Fastwalker & Obi Wan Rubenachi, "Use the FIA" instead of "use the Force" (Foliation Intersection Axes, a special structural geology technique for analysing porphyroblasts), being tempted to the dark side with "Come to the Dark Side of the FIA, see the porphyroblast rotate!" (one professor is big against the idea that porphyroblasts rotate, he's against the whole world...).

Yeah, REALLY nerdy jokes making fun of geology stuff (you need to know the lecturers to know what's going on with their little quirks etc.), but still very funny. I think it's cool.

It worked because our head of department professor is almost a spitting image of Yoda! Same ears and wrinkly baldy head!!!!! /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />

At one of the "screenings" I taped it with a minature tape recorder- a real 'bootleg' with laughs and stuff. It would be good if I could transfer that to the computer and upload it, you folks might get some kicks out of it.

Anyway, back to the discussion- why do SW fans hate Ja Ja Binks so much? I think he's silly but still nothing to get worked up about. My landlady from 3 years ago, another SW fan, bluntly said "he's stupid". I asked her why. Her response?" "He's stupid." (she can be a really crabby bitch at times)

#5

I'll have to check out the anime's, any idea where to get them. Would they be in a local video store perhaps? Or maybe somewhere on the net? Let me know, sounds cool. C ya

#6

Star Wars is near and dear to me., but not my first movie.

In fact, I had read many of the original stories before I saw the movie.

By far, the worst thing he did was take the importance and limitations of the Kaiburr crystal out. See, the Kaiburr crystal is the key component to the lightsaber and the Jedi's increased use of the Force, and the further away you are from the planet where the crystal is mined (name escapes me), the less powerful your lightsaber and yor grasp of the Force is. You can literally be so far away, that your lightsaber is little more than a flashlight with no ability to heat the flesh, mush less slice through atoms. When Lucas took this away, he took away the core reason for the Temple of the Jedi, which was housed near the mines... And why the Jedi simply could not be defeated by anyone on their home turf, but their own struggles with power and dominance, which led to them becoming Sith. It is why the Sith needed the clone armies, to enfore their rule where lightsabers and force simply had little jurisdiction. Another thing, a Jedi who took another Jedi's life was automatically a Sith. The kaiburr crystal also revealed their were people who were Force-sensitive, that were not Jedi,.. and entire races that were force sensitive.

Palpatine was the Lord of the Sith who took a large core of the kaiburr mines, and housed it in the core of the Death Star. The power of the kaibur crystal was the planet gun they used on Aldaran. The idea was to create other Death stars to spread the area where the Emperor could dominate through his mastery of the Dark side, which had to be focused through the Kaiburr crystal. This is why the Force works so strong there, and how when Luke was near, Obi spoke to him in death.

All of this realization was supposed to take place between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, but its influence in the original story is still seen. Originally Luke had been hidden on Tatooine because it was so far from the Kaiburr crystals that the force was powerless there, and he would never be found. This is why he awakens to the Force and the lightsaber actually works when the Emperor draws near.

"Splinter of the Mind's Eye" is the nme of the book that was written by Alan Dean foster, off this core of the star wars idea. This is when Leah finds out she is a force sensitive.

#7

Damn raum you have opened my eyes. Did not know any of that. Excellent post!

#8

yup,.. he abandoned the explict idea of it, because he felt it bogged down the depth of the character development is technical details, that would not have been that well known in even the "Space Opera" world the characters lived in. but if you watch the movies with that in mind, and the idea that Jedi mastery extends your ability to produce Force results on your own.,.. you can see a bit of the underlying story that predominates the use of the force in the first three movies, especially.

Incidentally Jedi is taken liberally from Shieh Tai, the title for a Toaist "Great Sage." The original translation for Tao, by C. Legge was "Force." neat, huh?

Most of the comics stuff is from the original scope of the movies,.. like at the end of the third movie, Luke is supposed to become a Sith because he kills Darth Vader, who is redeemed by killing Palpatine for love of his son, not greed of the emperor's power. This causes luke to go over to the dark side, and Leah and him fight with the force,.. she escapes, and has to track down Jedi to train her twin sons,.. who are fathered by Han Solo, the first victims of Luke's Sith conversion. It is revealed Han was "esper blind", completely immune to the use or influence of the Force. This has an unexpected effect on the children, who are trained from the womb by the spirit of Annikan skywalker. In fact, they are the only twins to ever be born with the power to be Jedi... and it is in their duality from birth that the Light and Dark side were to finally and fatally clash, for ever; as the Kaiburr planet was to be destroyed by the last Death star right before it exploded. That was supposed to basically be the End of the Magic, as defined by Joseph Campbell's anthropological study of Myth.

Lucas felt this would be too harsh and dark for the predominatly child audience his movies were gaining as sci fi became "kid's stuff", and he cancelled production for the other nine movies, and sought to revamp the whole thing with that consideration, and tried to cope with the demands of success.

#9

Damn again, I am so amazed. That is some cool stuff. Thanks

#10

The books are indeed cool and where it's at...I want to grab some of those extended universe joints, and learn about the bad ass Sith and Jedi that that have come through them...I do know that the extended universe books pretty much say that Luke, called NJO Luke (New Jedi Order), is nothing short of God with the force...He went darkside and beat it, and pretty much unified the force...All that baddie Sith vs Jedi, Cribs vs Blood, mumbo jumbo...Young Luke is that deal...And too, the stubbon ways of master Yoda, and him not getting any pussy and thus declaring that no Jedi can, are gone...Both Luke and Leia get it on and have kids...And as raum said, one of the Solo twins is CRAZY nice with his force shit...

@ rooster

You should be able to rent the cartoon from a local video store...Both volume 1 and volume 2...When watched right after Episode II and before Episode III, they make a nice little saga...I am convinced, Mace Windu is that dude...

@ Pete

Your teacher said it best...Jar Jar just fucking stunk up the entire film...Everytime he opened his mouth...Man it was horrible...He was goofy, not funny for the most part, and got in the way of some serious Jedi shit...It did not hurt Episode I either, that the boy who played young Anakin had never had an acting lesson...

They should have let young Haley Joel stop seeing dead people for a minute and get w/some of that midi chlorian lovin' Shmi got...