Dirt and Dumping on Palin and McCain.

[raum]

1. She was in pennsylvania, not Arizona, today. Rally in City Center Johnstown, and then threw out the first puck at the flyers game in philly.

2. You don't know shit about what she was talking about. She was on a ground where murtha's constituients are PISSED and he sucks. most earmarks in congress, and puts his name on everything. This was pennsylvania politics, not racism.

3. The military is strong around there, and Murtha got a young Lance corporal in Haditha court martialed. He said some REALLY bad shit about the military, who compose a large group of his district. Turns out a full investigate while the guys was condemed by his congressman before trial and was sitting in prison EXONERATED him, and he actually was the person who defended the people they were accused of killing. OOPS! The whole thing was hush-hushed by Democratic congress.

She was making out Obama to be the Monster she actually is because he is pro-choice. And basically implied if people didn't agree with her pro-life stance, they were less than her.

Do you even know what was going on at all? why the hell could she possibly be talking about abortion in Johnstown? Oh yeah, cause that is where Obama brought it up in the primaries and said a woman should not be "punished with a child" IN THE SaME DAMN BUILDING. When they booed him down on that but he stil had an ok run otherwise and out - he went to San Francisco and said they were bitter and clinging to their guns and religion, and talked about the injustice of or military. HE burnt that bridge. Get some context of the primaries as well, kthx.

Then that pile of gubernatorial dung ended her rally of the faithful & said that unless you've been in the military or fought in a war like her running mate, then you didn't deserve to run America & leading a chant of USA USA like Obama had just flown a plane into some buildings which got the crowd into a frenzy.

My oh my...

she said we need to come together and resolve this sensitive issue, with more compassion for the woman and the child waiting to be born. and say we need to come together on this. The crowd rallied in a Cry of USA. problem?

then, she said "there is only one man in this election who has really fought for you." the crowd cheered USA, and she joined in for a moment.

All she did was revisit the impact of Obama's comments and views, by history of his record. The crowd carried the boos - the issue that was on was abortion. That was halfway in. The first part was about energy, jobs, and hockey. Johnstown is big on all three, especially hockey! BTW, they booed the Flyers game she was going to more than Obama - watch the video. the only other thing spoken of was the pride and dignity of military service, and the challenges and rewards of having a child with special needs. If you don't like loudmouthin at rallies, stay outta Pa.

Tell me that is not inciting hate-mongering & violence in all but name?.

What did you see that was hate? Are you soft, or that paranoid? All I saw was policy differences. all I saw we she rallied for troops, believes in success, is firm on energy policies including clean coal, believes in the sancity of life for EVERY american, and thinks children are wonderful, and questions obama's record on abortion legislation.

Raum - Please do not offend me by sticking up for a creature like that ever again lest I start thinkin' of ya as a Good Ol' Boy.

Don't talk about me like that. That's not even funny, and you have been looking to make this about race. She said NOTHING about race. EVER. Obama, on the other hand... You seem to be the kind of person who forgets George W. Bush gave more to african americans than any other president ever, including an intiative to build an Aftrican american heritage museum in DC, the kind of person who has never heard of Colonel Allen West, who I would vote for president before either McCain or Obama. who doesn't realize most of the infants and fetuses that die in those abortions these
supposedly racist right-to-lifers are defending are African American. Damn I hope he makes it to Congress in two years! In short the kind of people who go into politics with a bias, and not as an empty vessel who might learn something.

I also dispise these people who are acting like either candidate is the end of the world or the beginning of the age of enlightenment. Just speak to the issues, and openly reveal your past. ALL OF THEM.

And as for me being a good ol boy, you know what: FUCK YOU! My grandfather tried to get Edward Brooke into the White House when it was seen as impossible for another black man to even get into congress. He was a DAMN good conserativew republican that was the first black in congress. Allen West is as well. If Brooke were alive today, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, and I'd canvass for a chance to have a congressman like West.

My family helped the first black candidate who ever won an election into the house of representatives, and we didn't give a shit he was black. so fuck off.

But people in my world don't get a pass for what color they are.

I can't believe the Republicans wanted to impeach Clinton for gettin' a blowjob in his private life & spent millions of taxpayer dollars doing so with the Starr Report & hearings, but Palin ACTUALLY abused her power in a work-related way for personal means & she get slapped on the wrist!!!

This just sounds like another part of these American politics you haven't really looked at. you just seem to be looking for reasons to hate her. great job on that - care to scrutinize Obama or biden a bit? I mean they both actually said public racist statements this year.

[AYHJA]

The problem with them finding her guilty of abuse of power is abuse of power has to be determined by your native branch - in her case executive not legislative... also there has to be sign of monetary gain or material reward or incentive. she recieved none.

Dude, where do you get this stuff from..? It's contracty to EVERY single report I've ever read...The Ayers bombing, and now everyone has the ethics shit wrong..? Please correct if I'm wrong, but they hit up the good Gov on this:

The state Ethics Act holds that public officials have a duty of public trust that prevents them from attempting to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action.

"We have the power to investigate. We have the power to change law based on the investigation. We don't have the power to convene a grand jury, for example, and seek an indictment,"

There doesn't have to be a sign of monetary gain, man come now...She's guilty...I'm not even tripping over it, if it were me, I would have done the same shit, but lets first just say SHE'S GUILTY, and then move on...I'm not sure how I'm supposed to think that you're unbiased (if you're saying you are) when it seems you're trying to defend everything these guys do almost...

Palin pops off shit about Obama and terrorists, you defend her, but McCain is on TV the next day trying to downplay her comments...It makes no sense to me...Obama associating with a person 18 years ago is reason for you to raise a red flag, but this woman walking around saying Obama is running with terrorists when we ALL know that's clearly a distortion is defensible..?

I mean, what gives..?

But here's my compromise...I hope you vote for Obama, just so that you can reserve the right to say I told you so...I'll come back and give you props on all this shit, straight up...But McCain hasn't even ATTEMPTED to bullshit me and people like me that he will give a damn...Not one bit...

[raum]

Dude, where do you get this stuff from..? It's contracty to EVERY single report I've ever read...The Ayers bombing, and now everyone has the ethics shit wrong..? Please correct if I'm wrong, but they hit up the good Gov on this:

The state Ethics Act holds that public officials have a duty of public trust that prevents them from attempting to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action.

Right, and this report is basically about how Todd Palin was more involved in this work than he should have been. It still confirms Monegan's firing was legal and proper. it just says undue pressure was put on staff, and alot of it from Todd Palin, not Sarah.

"The report concluded that Monegan's firing was legal, because Palin had the right to choose her top administrators, but that the pressure Palin and her husband exerted to try to get Wooten fired was improper."

She is guilty by inaction, apparently - even though the report does mention staff told them she had told him to "drop it".

"We have the power to investigate. We have the power to change law based on the investigation. We don't have the power to convene a grand jury, for example, and seek an indictment,"

They have the power to investigate, but it is not their task to investigate. Their report is not definitive, and is not even the proper channels to perform such investigation. Their report finds her guilty of abuse of power. The State personnel Board in the executive branch is the people who have the AUTHORITY, and not just the power, and are charged with the task to investigate abuse of power. Their investigation is still ongoing, and Palin has been cooperatiing entirely.

There doesn't have to be a sign of monetary gain, man come now...She's guilty...I'm not even tripping over it, if it were me, I would have done the same shit, but lets first just say SHE'S GUILTY, and then move on...I'm not sure how I'm supposed to think that you're unbiased (if you're saying you are) when it seems you're trying to defend everything these guys do almost...

She tried to fire a guy who was all trooper buddy buddy with a cop who used a stun gun on his own kid. If monegan didn't fire him, I'd let him go as well. He is the person who is to Police the Police. I know she did it, and i bet todd helped push it through, but that is not abuse of power. That is a man going into his wive's work and trying to use that foot in to speak to his state government. I just don't see that as guilty. He may have some kind of fine, but what else? The result, Monegan getting fired, and Wooten reassigned was all legal and proper.

Palin pops off shit about Obama and terrorists, you defend her, but McCain is on TV the next day trying to downplay her comments...It makes no sense to me...Obama associating with a person 18 years ago is reason for you to raise a red flag, but this woman walking around saying Obama is running with terrorists when we ALL know that's clearly a distortion is defensible..?

Ayers and his wife were terrorists. We should talk someday of Weather Underground. I have met a member, and lot of other social radicals. (In berkeley and san francisco, there were lots of them) most of them still think they were on so many drugs and that was a bad mix with being mad about the vietnam war... and few of their demonstration attacks killed anyone... And few are still socialists, BUT most feel guilt, shame, and even a bit silly for their pasts.

But here is the real deal:
Frank Marshall Davis was Obama's mentor, by his own confession.
Frank is a lifelong Communist who moved to Hawaii from Chicago.
Frank was obama's mentor, to the point it was Frank who got him to go to college.
Frank was tied to the honolulu seven through several key members.
Frank led the NAACP in honolulu which had to be shut down to avoid a communist takeover of the NAACP.
Frank was heavily involved with people who started the New Party.
Ayers's own biography puts him at Columbia Teaching University while obama is at columbia. Neither will release their transcripts. Both make mention of being activists. Both cite the same teacher as an influence, who also happens to be a stalinist. If you dont think they met at this time, you are crazy.

FURTHERMORE:
Michelle Obama was Obama's mentor at a summer associate position at Sidley and Austin, where they met and started a romance. Sidley and Austin is partly owned by Ayer's father, and Bernadine Dohrn was a mentor for summer associated when Michelle was in her internship. Bernadine is not a lawyer, and had no qualifications to work for Sidley and Austin besides knowing and later marrying Ayers. No one will release working transcripts from sidley and austin on Michelle or Barack.

tell me these people don't know each other... I simply refuse to believe they have been stomping the same grounds since 1984 in Columbia, carrying the same message, lived in the same city, as part of the same activist culture, lived blocks from each other, and didn't meet. i feel there is way more to this story than is getting out.

(I also feel there is more to Todd Palin and alaska separitists, but they are not socialists.)

I mean, what gives..?

(I will do anything i can to keep this country from being a socialists driven mockery of what its former glory was. This is why I will not pledge allegience to the flag, which is socialist invention.)

But here's my compromise...I hope you vote for Obama, just so that you can reserve the right to say I told you so...I'll come back and give you props on all this shit, straight up...But McCain hasn't even ATTEMPTED to bullshit me and people like me that he will give a damn...Not one bit...

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The main point is simple - there are more than two people in this race. our vote does not decide who wins. McCain or Barack will. BUT WE CAN VOTE for who we really want. Vote your conscious. My conscious is against Socialism. ACORN, Ayers, Davis, New Party, and the list grows.

The man is not loosely tied to socialism. Maybe you agree with socialist principles. they are very alluring... but empty promises. Obama's economic plan costs 317 Billion Dollars, compared to McCain's 52 Billion. That is before the wars either seek to continue. How can Obama NOT raise taxes? And with people in the upper crust leveraging their money out of income already, who will afford all his Change?

This race is about Taxes, Socialism, or Race (Obama), or Gender (Palin) for every voter.

For me, it is about Socialism. I don't make enough to be taxed anymore, I am not racist, for or against a race... and I am gender neutral.

But if you think this isn't about race, both for and against Obama:

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal ... 100108.mp3

[AYHJA]

I found an interesting article about McCain's policies and another presidents policies, Herbert Hoover...

in the newest stump speech, McCain states the last President to raise taxes during a recessionary period was Herbert Hoover and that resulted in the Great Depression. Not so! Actually, If McCain’s memory was working correctly he would recall the name Andrew Mellon, perhaps you’ve heard of him. Aside from lending his name to a few sports arenas and an excellent University in Pittsburgh, PA, he also served as Hoover’s secretary of Treasury. In the ten years prior to the start of the Great Depression, Mellon had a plan. I bet you’ll never guess what it was. He cut taxes on the richest people, over and over again. It may be shocking to some, and probably coincidental, but the last tax cut that Hoover and Mellon made was in… drum roll please… the same year the Great Depression started, 1929! Oh it gets better folks! Guess what Mellon and Hoover’s response was? Just Guess! Spending Freeze! Balance the budget, cut back on government spending!

In the eight years after Hoover raised taxes: FDR spent A LOT of government cheese, and we got 56% growth of the economy.

Like I said, I'm hurting...I can't afford to care about socialism or or any of that other crap...Barak may not fix it, but John CERTAINLY won't...Like I said, 2 debates now, and I don't think I've heard so much as a sentence about education, for example...

Here, look at a transcript of the first 2 debates...Hit CTRL + F in your browser, and type school, education, or anything of the sort in your browser...See if I'm lying...

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/presi ... ebate.html
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/presi ... ebate.html

You may be able to concentrate or hold a candidates past on them, but I cannot...And like I said, I'm sure everyone has 7 degrees of shit to them, so I don't care about any of that stuff in the past...For either candidate...I have not harped or held anything against John McCain for anything he's done prior to 2008...If someone wants to make this election about race, then I think I'd have to say its still in the wrong direction...Most of America is too hurting to think about dumb shit like that...I was not running around in this forum being excited about Barak Obama because he and I couldn't have gotten pies at the counter back in the day...

I am listening to what they're saying, and nothing McCain has said reached me on any level...Gov. Palin....The moose hunting hockey mom milf, cannot answer a simple question without a thick coat of shit icing on it...Even her own party is reeling now Homez...Sorry, but like I said...I will not be interested in dumping dirt on either candidate from here on out...My mind, bearing something unforgiveable, is pretty made up and most importantly, for the right reasons....

[raum]

I found an interesting article about McCain's policies and another presidents policies, Herbert Hoover...

Actually the policies in question, heightened taxes in a recession, are Obama's not McCains. This "article" says the last person to put that policy in place was George Herbert Walker Bush. Whether it was Obama's, bush's, or Hoovers, it was still a bad idea.

In the eight years after Hoover raised taxes: FDR spent A LOT of government cheese, and we got 56% growth of the economy.

Thanks to FDR:
We got involved in the Middle East, World War II, NATO, UN, Korea, Vietnam, American World Police reputation, and started income tax and social security, which are both unconstitutional. Oh yeah, we also got "faith based" currency as FDR did away with the gold standard. That was a great deception... make more money but no longer was it worth 1 dollar worth of gold. oh, and Fannie Mae.

Growing the economy artifically 56% was not a good thing.

Like I said, I'm hurting...I can't afford to care about socialism or or any of that other crap...Barak may not fix it, but John CERTAINLY won't...Like I said, 2 debates now, and I don't think I've heard so much as a sentence about education, for example...

Ty, that is EXACTLY what was going through German Minds when Hitler was elected to Power. His promises to raise taxes on the rich, lower taxes on the poor, distribute the wealth of the people to the people, increase welfare programs and build work corps for every civil need and special human interest. You are exactly demonstrating the same want and need that brought Hitler to power, and he is banking on the same promise.

You can read McCain's plan for education. He has always been sound on good measurable education. Obama has spent alot of money, and Chicago shows no imporvement in anything but younger involvement in politics, leftist leanings, and higher crime rates.

McCain's ECAP program of measurable results validating educational spending has led to Arizona's youth testing consistently above average on the SAT.

Here, look at a transcript of the first 2 debates...Hit CTRL + F in your browser, and type school, education, or anything of the sort in your browser...See if I'm lying...

Where has education come up as a subject in these debates? NEVER. McCain should do more to explain how his principle of making Educational Initiatives earn their funding by measurable results has led his youth to higher SAT scores than the national average. The problem is it might require some work, and might just require some kids to learn something other than an inspirational message about what they can do, and how the goverment owes them more than it provides.

You may be able to concentrate or hold a candidates past on them, but I cannot...And like I said, I'm sure everyone has 7 degrees of shit to them, so I don't care about any of that stuff in the past...For either candidate...I have not harped or held anything against John McCain for anything he's done prior to 2008...If someone wants to make this election about race, then I think I'd have to say its still in the wrong direction...Most of America is too hurting to think about dumb shit like that...I was not running around in this forum being excited about Barak Obama because he and I couldn't have gotten pies at the counter back in the day...

I have never accused anyone here of racism, and don't expect to be accused of it myself. What you are telling me is you are myopic in a season of panic. What I DON'T see is improvement in any funds requested or budgeted by Obama.

Can someone please show me where he has a measurable result? ANY AT ALL?

I am listening to what they're saying, and nothing McCain has said reached me on any level...Gov. Palin....The moose hunting hockey mom milf, cannot answer a simple question without a thick coat of shit icing on it...Even her own party is reeling now Homez...Sorry, but like I said...I will not be interested in dumping dirt on either candidate from here on out...My mind, bearing something unforgiveable, is pretty made up and most importantly, for the right reasons....

Your "right reason" seems to be "Hope," cause Obama has done nothing to make you think he might back up anything. I just think that thanks to an early indoctrination into socialism, his achievements are not up to par with his talent.

[Sir Jig-A-Lot]

Yesterday.
8 Year-old: "What does the vice-president do?!?"
Palin: "She runs the senate"
Ha.
I Love It.
Such a fountain of knowledge.
Not.

[raum]

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/his ... sident.htm

And that kids is why the Vice President of the United States is CALLED the
PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE. VP does run the senate, and make sure it stays running. It was designed that way to make sure Senators voted for the nation over their state.

That was a great answer to the kid! Had the president pro tempore of the senate been the Vice President like our constitution dictates and not the senate majority leader, our Senate would probably have a better track record for real use of taxpayer money. George Bush Sr was the last VP who REALLY fulfilled the role of President of the Senate. Gore was a pretty boy and jet set more than Clinton at times. Cheney is ill suited for the role.

But let's look at other talks with kids: